Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

[Vebrithien]

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

Some women assault women in women’s prisons but women are but n women’s prisons.

you are choosing to make the discriminating criteria gender. But you could make it risk irrespective of gender instead.

Read the posts around yours. Answer some of those questions.

You are arguing from a position of illogic. Your ideas are dangerous to women.

But you could make it risk irrespective of gender instead.

But then there wouldn't be any women's prisons for your transwomen to go into, would there? Think, McFly!

It doesn't matter if these males who are 'psychologically female' feel more at home in the women's estate. Women don't want males in prison with them. Why does their desire matter more than the privacy, safety and dignity of the women?

There is no ‘gay gene’ that has been identified. Yet, I would assume you would regard it as true that some people legitimately claim to be gay. Likewise it should be for gender.

Being gay is observable though. My lesbian and gay friends have same sex husbands and wives with whom they live. Not so much public snogging these days but there was a fair bit when we were younger.

How is this similar to being trans?

Oh, and for the record, I'm not a Tory. I'm left wing and liberal.

The klaxon has been too very generous so far but this is

Clitoral Violence

No woman ever risked making another woman pregnant.

and 99% of sexual assaults are carried out by males. Regardless of 'gender'.

This.

Physical assault by a person of the same sex is not the equivalent of a woman being assaulted by a male, let alone sexual assault.

You could try thinking.

Some women assault women in women’s prisons but women are but n women’s prisons.

Sexual assault is predominantly carried out by males (no matter their gender identity.

Rape is only carried out by males (no matter their gender identity).

You are in denial about the risk that trans women pose.

Not to mention the comfort and dignity of women who are being used as props to male criminals who identify as trans.

Not to mention the comfort and dignity of women who are being used as props to male criminals who identify as trans.

It's this that always gets me.

'Transwomen don't want to be around males, so put them in women's prisons'
'Women don't want to have males in with them; tough tits'

I am suggesting we have men and women’s prisons and Allie trans women (and trans men) to be placed in the prisons according to the gender they identify with.

risk can be managed within those institutions.

the ‘mcfly’ comment is childish and belies the fact you are are on the ropes argument-wise

Why do transwomen's desires matter more than women's?

If I didn't think TRAs were muddled and unable to articulate anything about gender coherently before, that's been confirmed in full technicolour now. Great job! This... this is all they have!

because all real progress involved compromise

So a woman's 'no' has to matter less than a man's yes?

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

Do you understand what "compromise" means? As an ad agency hot shot, I imagine you understand the meaning of words?

Can't say what gender is.
Can't say what trans is.
Can't say what a man is.
Can't say what a woman is.
Can't say what sex is when it isn't biological sex.
Conflating sex and gender sometimes and not others.

But yeah, you're the experts! Please, tell me all about how your risk assessment works without 'definitions' or 'knowing what gender is'

Why are there currently transwomen in the female estate but no transmen in the male estate? What could be the reason for that do you think?

because all real progress involved compromise

The only people you are expecting to compromise are women.

Which goes to show you know exactly who the women are.

And you still claim that transwomen are the 'most oppressed'.

So interesting.

Does sexual consent involve a similar kind of 'compromise'?

Are you one of these who subscribe to the 'cotton ceiling' school of thought?

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

Whether they 'see' them as makes or not, they ARE male and therefore don't belong in the female estate

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’

If you deny that a male (who is trans) is male, you are denying they are trans. Their sex forms part of the actual definition of being trans.

If you believe they are a female woman you are erasing what it means to be trans.

What about those women who don’t see trans women as ‘males’ and are more tolerant than you?

Define "trans woman". Most women don't want penises in women only spaces, according to all the polls which have asked the question (data!). Most women don't support legal self ID of sex.