Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

[Vebrithien]

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

Have you ever met anyone trans?

Tories to boot I would imagine.

"Everyone I don't agree with is a Tory/Hitler/fundamentalist American/Russian troll"

I thought we were all so hateful you'd flounced?

No we're all left leaning however I'm keeping my eye on Starmer as he seems to have lost his mind and seems to be ready to advance the rights of males at the expense of women.

Which is why your claim that transwomen are the most oppressed minority is completely laughable.

Yes of course I have. Many times. Worked with people who are TQ+ and am LGBT+ myself. Read extensively from TQ+ accounts and articles, interviews, videos.

Have you met a female human who's been assaulted by a male in prison? Read any of their accounts? What do you know about the vulnerabilities of female prisoners? Their feelings on being incarcerated and assaulted? That their sentence can be extended for mentioning concerns?

I am always, incidentally, baffled at this idea that if I just met the right T person (and let's be honest, you mean a male one) I'd gladly embrace the raping and distress of women and be fine with it.

Peace out all!

have a good weekend

This is such a good point.

I think we can take it from that that the poster isn't interested in women's experiences in prison.

Oh FFS! There are innumerable threads here with specific data on that. Go have a look.

Maybe start with MoJ data on violent offenders, sex offenders, in prison.

It is. I always love the "have you ever met anyone trans?" along with the tory comment. It only takes a short time on here to realise that women on the left dominate, many of us lesbians, with trans colleagues, acquaintances and family members. It's such a glorious infantile fantasy of right wing mummies in pinnies

Ok, so Eastlondon so far: statements but no evidence. Only consideration for the potential harm of male people by other male people. Sees female people as collateral damage, human shields and as validation for male peoples feelings. And any woman who objects to mixed sex facilities, spaces etc. are right wing bigots akin to nazis.

Btw I have met a few transpeople. Transmen who were very nice and who I would never ever condone placing in mens prisons. And a couple of transwomen, who all were entitled brats, regardless of their age.

There are burglaries even in banks and bank vaults. Should we leave all doors and windows open?

As an aside, what the hell did happen to critical thinking?

100%

Why is it incumbent upon women to be raped in order to make men safer?

Focus. Instead of making women in female prisons less safe why not discuss the ways men in male prisons can be made safer.

Less assault of transwomen in male prisons.

More sexual assaults and rape or women in female prisons.

Think....

Sweetheart, we are talking about men. Transwomen being the only sunset of men whonget housed in female prisons they are the men we are discussing in this specific instance.

But we are always talking about men, male incursions.

Genuine question - why do you think lesbians are over represented in ‘anti-trans’ circles?

@TeaKlaxon , do you actually know what you mean when you use the word 'trans'? Do you actually mean 'male'? It would make things a lot clearer if you could actually set out what you think trans is rather than keep conflating sex and gender.

It's been pointed out to you that it is transphobic to do so, yet you keep doing it.

Again, (and I know you either cannot or don't want to answer, so this is for the lurkers) - if my child wanted to know whether they were trans - or a girl, or a boy - how would they find out? Without, obviously, resorting to the circular 'feel like a girl/boy' non-answer.

Genuine question - why do you think lesbians are over represented in ‘anti-trans’ circles?

I don't think they are, are they? They are well represented in women's rights groups and radical feminist circles though, because their focus is on the female experience.

Do women not count as people in your "reality" then? Because you've proved beyond a doubt that you don't give a shiny shit about them.

Genuine question - why do you think lesbians are over represented in ‘anti-trans’ circles?

Why don't you ask the lesbians when they stopped beating their wives while you're at it.

Not if we get the risk assessment right.

risk assessment being a fundamental part of penal practice.

it can be a win-win.

it can be a win-win.

Certainly from the male point of view, yes.

it can be a win-win.

No it can only be a win-win if women stand to benefit from males in single sex prisons.

Even if, and it's highly doubtful, women could be kept physically safe, how do they benefit from the inclusion of males?