Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

[Vebrithien]

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

Imaginary data that you won't post.

Nope - because you’ve got it the wrong way round. Allowing trans women in women’s prisons leads to less assault than not doing so.

That's still not an answer.

I am going to assume the thing you don't want to actually say, in so many words, is that you find raped women a more acceptable option than sad men.

It comes across quite clearly, regardless.

The entire anti trans stance I’ve encountered on this thread seems to be entirely driven by ideology and irrational fear flying in the face of any data, all amounting to a classic ‘moral panic’.

LOL.

You just think that males should get their own way.

You know who the women are in this situation.

So why aren't all vulnerable male prisoners shuffled off to the female estate? What's so special about transwomen?

I’m not here to do all the work for you, just point you in the right direction.

Lol - they identify as women and being recognised as such it becoming normal

Again, Lady Haldane was mistaken. The EA2010 guidance specifically says that even with a GRC any man can be excluded from female services if that meets the criteria given.

Those criteria include "any person feeling uncomfortable with the presence of a male/female"

This has not yet been tested in court. Which is why we are waiting for, and supporting, Sarah Summers

Oh go on then. A link perhaps?
To show us you aren't making it up.

Bye all, the sheer amount of hate against a tiny vulnerable minority I’ve seen here is terrible. You should all hang your heads in shame. At least your kids get it.

Allowing trans women in women’s prisons leads to less assault than not doing so.

If this were true, presumably the mechanism is that the number of transwomen who would be assaulted by men in male prisons is greater than the number of women who would be assaulted by men entering women's prison, so it's a "net win".

Even if this were true, you could get EVEN FEWER assaults by having a third space. Take the transwomen out of the men's prisons - avoiding those assaults - AND continue to not put any men in women's prisons - so not increasing the number there.

Why are you advocating for a policy that permits more assaults?

Saying that trans women are not women and that non women (including men and trans women) should not be in women’s spaces is not “anti trans”.

At least your kids get it.

Yes thankfully my kids do get it. They know men are not women because they say so.

They believe in Sex rather than gender.

As do most of their teen friends.

Oh no, you're going without linking any of the "evidence"?

That's your answer? They identify as women?
And that is why out of all the other vulnerable male prisoners they get to go to women's prisons? And any man can 'identify' as a woman.
Do you not see a problem with your logic. I hope the lurkers are lurking. Gender ideology revealed again as a clusterfuck.

So you are cool with that leading to a much larger number of assaults and suicides?

Assualts and suicide of whom, by whom and why?

You know who the women are in this situation.

Always.

Mine get it. One is a competitive swimmer and knows really well no male person is or can ever become a girl or woman and in some areas, the reality of someone's sex is more important than how another person feels.

Oh well. Same old bollocks and same old flounce. Never changes.

Because there are already isolation wings n women’s prisons where those deemed to be at high risk of harming others can be put.

you are making the error of assuming all trans women are at higher risk of assaulting fellow inmates.

Are you saying that the only way to protect a tiny vulnerable minority of males is by accepting that a percentage of those males will harass, put in fear, assault and rape at the very least equally vulnerable females, (and has happened, with relatively small numbers so far, it's a given) ?

Access to and harm to females is not a price worth paying for the greater happiness of those males. Those males can have their own space away from other males, I'm all for that if it keeps them safer and allows privacy and dignity.

But access to female bodies is not a male human right. Females are not support animals or therapeutic resources for males. And you can only believe all this nonsense and think women finding this dehumanising of women and male supremacism abhorrent if you do yourself believe that the only real and valuable humans on the planet are the male ones.

Again I'll point out the absolute dimorphic sex based thinking always at the root of every activist. Always.

And.....flounce.

Yeah my kids get it. They support women, girls and reality.

Bye. 👋
The sheer amount of concern for the safeguarding of children and the protection of vulnerable women in prison is great. You should all be proud for standing up for the rights of two vulnerable groups against an immensely privileged and powerful ideology determined to remove the rights and safety of so many. 👏

My kid gets that no one can change their actual sex.

you are making the error of assuming all trans women are at higher risk of assaulting fellow inmates.

Not in the slightest. I'm assuming men are at higher risk of performing assaults than women. Whether or not "transwomen" exist doesn't matter - the point is a blanket male exclusion policy protects women.

Whether you're letting males in on the grounds that they identify as "priests", "trans", "women", "children" or "nice" doesn't matter. It's providing a way for males to get in.

"Trans" is irrelevant here.