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Bullying your mum isn't activism, magnificent Glosswitch response to creepy Novara media article

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/01/2023 15:59

Apologies if this has its own thread already, I couldn't see one. Glosswitch has written yet another excellent article: thecritic.co.uk/Bullying-your-mum-isnt-activism/

It's a response to novaramedia.com/2022/12/24/how-i-deradicalised-my-terf-mum/ published on Christmas Eve. The very timing tells me all I need to know. The people on the right side of history, by their own lights. were sitting on the sofa reading this, nodding and punching the air in support of 'Will' and his chums, while their decrepit, simple-minded mothers, aunts and grandmothers, i.e. the Janets of this world, were toiling away peeling sprouts and checking the cooking instructions on the vegan roast they'd bought for the Novara Media subscriber, hoping against hope it would pass muster.

In short, 'Will', the male child, bullies his mum, 'Janet', who has had great difficulty accepting that her other child, born female, now identifies as a transman, by threatening that if she doesn't give up her 'transphobia', i.e. stubborn adherence to material reality and concern about health consequences of unevidenced hormone and surgical treatments, both of her children will cut her off and encourage all their friends and neighbours to do the same. Nice guy, huh?

Glosswitch nails what's going on here. I was pleased to see that so did dozens of other outraged people on Twitter.

The son “Will” is obviously proud of himself, even though what he is describing is a form of coercive control. Threatening to isolate a female relative unless she denies her perceptions of reality indicates he does not care that she may not believe what she is saying. All that matters is that she has been forced into line. This is not activism; it is patriarchy.

Amen to that! The Novara article was written by a woman, depressingly.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/01/2023 17:18

Chilling.
What the toxic son will never understand is that he can bully and coerce his mother - but she still knows and understands the facts that he and his sibling pretend don't exist. He can intimidate and literally silence her, but deep down she knows - as do her children. Hence their limitless rage.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/01/2023 17:22

I wonder how well Will would cope and react if Arthur detransitioned.

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boatyardblues · 04/01/2023 17:24

From the Novara article:

To me, the moral of the story seems clear: people aren’t convinced by reason but by emotion.

Nope, that’s manipulation not convincing.

StephanieSuperpowers · 04/01/2023 17:30

He's still to learn a fundamental truth: you can coerce people into saying what you want to hear but you can't make them believe it.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 04/01/2023 17:32

I don't believe for one second males like Will give 2 shits about trans people. It's just a convenient cover for their absolute hatred and abuse of women.

Spiteful little gobshite.
Trawling through his mum's internet history and threatening to tell her friends she knows about biology and reality.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:33

My mate had to put up with her husband allowing her toxic bully of a woman hating step son to rule the roost for a couple of years.

She was a wreck by the time her husband realised if he didn't kick him out then his life was about to come crashing down.

It was awful to witness, in real time, she used to ring me, whilst they laid into her telling her she was the wrong, and mad one, so that I could tell her later that no she v didn't imagine it.

The amount of time the police ended up there, via calls from me or the neighbours.

All the way through I just could not understand how this child had been allowed to gain so much, unwarrented, unearned and most definitely undeserved power.

I can't help but feel Janet has found herself living in exactly the same hell. If it hadn't have been the handy for Will trans ideology it would have been something else.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2023 17:35

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/01/2023 16:39

The word ‘schooling’ has bothered me for a while and I think I see why now. It’s because it’s not about teaching in the true educational sense it’s about using punishment to train them to behave in the way you want. Like schooling an animal. It is dehumanising, it is not about responding to the person as an equal human being.

100%. It's of the same stable as 'woman DESTROYED' clickbait bullshit.

I really dislike the current trend of wish-fulfilment bullshit like this. Clearly all made to satisfy passive aggressive people who are unable to actually use their words properly to be in control of their own lives, and so instead need to watch other people 'humiliating' 'owning' 'destroying' or 'schooling' others. It's a kind of bullyporn.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:36

You can coerce people as much as you like to behave a certain way to say certain things do allow other things. But you can never control a person's thoughts.

Stay strong Janet

Plasmodesmata · 04/01/2023 17:37

In the article Will says
‘Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”
Does that mean he still lives at home? He's 22? (it's not clear which sibling is older so maybe he's 20).

But he's going to want to move out at some point anyway, isn't he? Or is he sitting around reading the Guardian while his terribly transphobic mum does all the laundry and cooks his dinner?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/01/2023 17:38

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2023 17:35

100%. It's of the same stable as 'woman DESTROYED' clickbait bullshit.

I really dislike the current trend of wish-fulfilment bullshit like this. Clearly all made to satisfy passive aggressive people who are unable to actually use their words properly to be in control of their own lives, and so instead need to watch other people 'humiliating' 'owning' 'destroying' or 'schooling' others. It's a kind of bullyporn.

Yes, you have put it really well.

WinterFoxes · 04/01/2023 17:39

Plasmodesmata · 04/01/2023 17:37

In the article Will says
‘Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”
Does that mean he still lives at home? He's 22? (it's not clear which sibling is older so maybe he's 20).

But he's going to want to move out at some point anyway, isn't he? Or is he sitting around reading the Guardian while his terribly transphobic mum does all the laundry and cooks his dinner?

It is textbook, 'I hate you but first can you take me and Steve to the mall?'

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:39

Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”

to which my response would have been "do you want help with that?

DuesToTheDirt · 04/01/2023 17:40

lechiffre55 · 04/01/2023 16:54

Isn't this what they did under Mao? Denounce the parents as traitors and berate them during struggle sessions.

You beat me to it.

nilsmousehammer · 04/01/2023 17:44

Spoilt brat. Over pandered to, over enabled, over indulged, and so totally fixed on the magical wonder of what goes on inside themselves that they're unable to realise how stuck they are in an emotional toddlerhood. Where they scream and shout and rule everyone - while being utterly dependent on the everyone to run around after them and provide never ending TLC despite constantly, patiently enduring the never ending tantrum and inability for social reciprocation.

The pathology of all this is writ large, it really is. And yes, we have fucked up beyond belief in parenting. All through very good intentions.

Can you imagine people like this as parents? Social services needs to start doubling now, if not tripling. They will be absolutely incapable of putting anyone's needs above their own.

BloodAndFire · 04/01/2023 17:47

Rvkh Br*wn, who wrote the Novara article, is a truly awful person who has betrayed her family and community in the most appalling way. She has actively supported antisemites and Holocaust deniers and caused immense pain to her parents and the wider Jewish community.

KohlaParasaurus · 04/01/2023 17:48

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:39

Look, if you don’t fucking fix up, I’m not really interested in having an endless debate with you, I will just leave.’”

to which my response would have been "do you want help with that?

And he's going to go tattling to all her (presumably grown-up) friends about having gone snooping through her online history and found that she, erm, doesn't think people can change sex, and he thinks they'll judge her harshly and have sympathy with him? Good luck with that, laddo.

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2023 17:49

I would off packed wills bags for him.

wee shite. Smug wee shite as well

IcakethereforeIam · 04/01/2023 17:53

You don't seem to be able to comment below the article.

Here's (I hope) a link to the thing on twitter

twitter.com/novaramedia/status/1606757597272498185?s=20&t=4eGO4v3AfL_0fp9NjydyGg

BethDuttonsTwin · 04/01/2023 17:54

That second account is really just placed in support of the first one isn’t it? Attempting to equate perfectly unacceptable attitudes towards race, with questioning the trans nonsense. So fucking manipulative.

JellySaurus · 04/01/2023 17:54

I seem to be in a minority because I say "No" to my children. No, I will not gaslight and pretend that you can change reality by saying "I want/am" whatever. I may phrase it more gently, but, no, you have not, cannot, and never will be able to change sex.

Guess what: my distressed adult child may accuse me of all sorts of terfery, but still loves me and still comes to me for comfort and support. And I am sure is better off for being told "No" than for being pandered to and affirmed in a dangerous mindset.

I don't for one second suggest that I'm a better parent than any other mumsnetter. I'm sure there are many of us in the same boat - it is Mumsnet that has enabled me to say No to this ideology.

But what these children need are boundaries. Loving, assertive, supportive boundaries.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 17:55

KohlaParasaurus · 04/01/2023 17:48

And he's going to go tattling to all her (presumably grown-up) friends about having gone snooping through her online history and found that she, erm, doesn't think people can change sex, and he thinks they'll judge her harshly and have sympathy with him? Good luck with that, laddo.

I know look at him the big I AM probably telling his mates how he took down his mum and put her in her place, but yeah her pork chops and mash was banging as usual!

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 18:00

@KohlaParasaurus

Hi Mrs Jones its Janets son from number 20.

I'm just thought I'd let you that my mother's not safe to be around at the moment.

Mentally unstable.

Yeah I know it's awful.

Thanks I'll pass on your prayers.

What did she do?

Oh she only went and wore a t-shirt saying woman adult human female.

What? What do you mean fuck off you stupid little twat?

Mrs jones?

Hello?

Huh the rude cow hung up on me

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 04/01/2023 18:00

I hope Janet has seen a solicitor and willed Will’s inheritance to a home for feminist cats.

Glosswitch is excellent, as always.

Boiledbeetle · 04/01/2023 18:03

littlbrowndog · 04/01/2023 17:49

I would off packed wills bags for him.

wee shite. Smug wee shite as well

My mother went round singing always look on the bright side of life helping me pack when I said I was leaving home.

"Do need a saucepan

Take the chipped plates

Here I'll get you another box."

BethDuttonsTwin · 04/01/2023 18:04

I have a “friend” on FB whose child came ranting on to thread where we were discussing some of the problematic issues with trans ideology. We humoured him, but messaged each other privately to agree that he was rude brat and we all felt sorry for his Mum. I suspect this is how “Will’s” attempt to Struggle Session his Mum would go.

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