How do you speak up without being called transphobic

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I just feel so lost... I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations so I just take the easy option. Where does it end?

As ever, we are everyone's mums, everything is always our fault, and we will be punished for the crimes of others.

Do you mean when men are physically attacking you?

Because I too am sure nobody here would celebrate you being attacked not would we try to prevent you going to the police.

Why are you here berating women for the violence of men?

I saw a video posted by a prominent transwoman on Tiktok state that Greta Thunberg's tweet to the Tate guy with the fake email "tinydick..." was transphobic! It might hurt transmen's feelings

“Cis” is a deliberate attempt to obscure or even erase the genuine male/female power axis by replacing it with the supposed “cis/trans” one. It implies that female people as a class are more powerful and privileged than this group of of male people, and so suggests that it is socially just for women to have to give up our rights and protections to accommodate that group of male people.

It’s gaslighting and abusive to women to use this term and promote the ideology that says these male people’s wishes should be indulged at the expense of female people’s needs, and not only that but that it’s “progressive” to do so. Women’s vulnerability and disadvantage relative to men is real and denying it in this way directly harms us.

If I see anyone using “cis”, I therefore automatically assume misogyny in that person, whether conscious or unconscious, internalised or externalised.

I'm not transphobic. I'm a live and let live kind of person but I won't tolerate threats to me or girls.
Neither will I wear a pronoun badge at work because I think its ridiculous.
If I go to a swimming pool changing room with a young girl I don't expect to see any penises in there because girl children don't need to see that.
I wouldn't be bothered if it was just me.
Some common sense would be nice.

@Sparklybutold Could you point me towards the new legislation in Switzerland please? I'm aware of the SelfID legislation snuck in via the gay marriage provisions at the beginning of 2022. However, I am not aware of further laws and policies since then.

The downplaying of AGP rather goes against the fact that this is celebrated all over the internet from “sissy” porn to Tumblr to “transgender theory” books by Andrea Long Chu and others, to novels like Detransition, Baby.

As if we aren’t able to see that just as you’re claiming it’s transphobic to say this, there are examples everywhere on the internet that one cares to look.

Gender ideologists can’t simultaneously welcome erotic cross dressers to the “trans umbrella”, and celebrate Andrea Long Chu writing about how porn and submission are integral to the trans fantasy of womanhood, then turn around and tell us that doesn’t exist, and how transphobic to suggest such a thing!

Transphobic now means says no to a man. That's what really pisses the TRAs off as they don't want equal rights (they already have them) but want all women to do as they are told.

I know. I thought transactivists had given up trying to pretend AGP doesn't exist, given how many prominent transwomen bang on about it/write about it/make movies about it.

Even the daily telegraph publishes articles by Debbie Hayton, self-confessed AGP.

I don't care if I'm called transphobic for supporting women's rights.

I’d be interested to know more OP in the kind of situations where you would like to raise your voice but currently feel inhibited from doing so.

I’m afraid it’s largely true that any form of dissent from the orthodoxy of gender identity ideology will be perceived/shouted down as “transphobia” by those who subscribe to the ideology. For my part, I’m not so interested in what the true believers think: they’re largely a lost cause anyway.

So if someone on this thread for example calls me a transphobe, it’s water off a duck’s back. I just think they’re a misogynist.

It’s obviously much harder in real life, and the hardest area I think is with those people who really haven’t stopped to think about it much at all but have just accepted the party line that “trans rights” are the new gay rights, who are unaware of how much is going on and has gone on behind the scenes, and who have fallen for the “inclusion” line.

They might be receptive to hearing new information about some aspects of GII, but it’s hard for them to challenge the ideology at its foundation because there’s been so much propaganda, and it’s been so effective. There really is a pervasive belief that decent people go along with this, and to question the whole concept of “trans” is seen as really quite shocking. Like somebody questioning the existence of God in a religious society.

It is extremely hard to be the only person in the room challenging it, if that’s the kind of setting you’re talking about - group dynamics in a work related or family gathering for example - and I definitely wouldn’t recommend starting there unless you actively enjoy confrontation, which from your OP I suspect you don’t.

Talking to someone one on one is generally easier, especially if that someone is going along with it largely out of ignorance rather than being a true believer. Who specifically are you worried about being called transphobic by? What impact would it have on your life? Is there any way you can start a conversation with one person on one specific issue that feels safer than others?

Women have been silenced for so long, in so many ways. This is just the latest iteration of it. We’re all just doing what we can to break that, even if it’s only posting on here.

Absolutely

Yes agreed.And also the children of many families of colour some of whom may have strong christian beliefs,are expected to sit through lessons on gender ideology.As a supply teacher i refused to teach kids that lesbians can be men.We did something else for PHSE.I dont like religions of any kind.They tend to exclude women who dont conform to stereotypical roles but i support the right of people to worship as they will.I dont agree that every church should be forced to marry same sex couples or be called homophobic.

Talking about tropes!!

Safeguarding should be about assessing your risk to female people and children because you are male.

A male with their penis removed is still a male.

Or are you going to post the evidence that you, as a male in a particular group of males, have a lower risk than all other males for committing crimes? Specifically sex crimes?

Please do post that because we have been asking for that evidence for years now.

All we get is crickets.

By the way, who the fuck is telling you that you shouldn’t go to the police for being physically assaulted? I doubt anyone on this thread. If they are report them to MNHQ because that is not acceptable.

However, nor is it acceptable if you are resorting to lying for some kind of sick ‘gotcha’.

@Rheia1983 I think Sparkly mistyped, it’s Sweden, not Switzerland - unless someone else knows otherwise?

OP, I agree. Shrieking ‘transphobe’ is just another version of #nodebate. If someone is calling you transphobic, then I think it’s ok to ask them why what you said is transphobic, to explain in detail. Good luck though, I’ve never found anyone who will!
Many of our visitors here have been asked to explain, but I’ve never seen them reply with any substance. Eg, Evilbee responded conflating talking and challenging with actual violence - and has yet to respond to any request for clarification
I do wonder what Boiled said which was so bad, and had to do with ‘cis’ 😉

Mermaids recently, memorably, explained that safeguarding children is transphobic.
Women having rights and equality is transphobic.
Mentioning women's anatomy and health is transphobic.
Homosexuality is transphobic.
Following a faith or culture that involves boundaries that inconvenience the absolute freedoms of male people is transphobic.
Look Simba, everything the light touches is....

I tend to find when I run through that list with most reasonable people, they start to realise that if the above is 'transphobic' then not being transphobic becomes exceptionally problematic.

This is utterly wrong. You have entirely misunderstood the gender critical feminist position, not least because many, perhaps even most, gender critical feminists are non-conforming!

I won't accuse you of deliberate deception because I understand if you feel attacked it's very natural to slip into seeing other people as boogeyman and cartoon baddies.

I will suggest you:

Stop basing assumptions on your own prejudices and what you hear second hand in trans ideological echo chambers and instead genuinely listen with an open mind to what gender critical feminists are saying and the lived experiences which have lead us to these conclusions.

Stop assuming that because one person who doesn't agree with gender ideology thinks something, everyone who doesn't agree with gender ideology must think the same thing.

EvilBee · Today 07:24

Utter nonsense - GC ideology is socially conservative to its core - GCs pretend that they're accepting of difference, but whenever anyone comes along who is non-conforming, they're as unpleasant as they are with trans ppl.

As a still, keep forgetting to cancel the direct debit, fully paid up member of the Labour Party, who can currently swivel on my finger if they think i'm voting for them in the next GE, I am getting rather tired of being labelled, amongst other things, a far right bigot.

But what I thought, as a woman capable of self reflection and willingness to learn, my views of late had pushed me politically.

Maybe I am now a far right bigot.

Who knows? Maybe I should do a test.

but whenever anyone comes along who is non-conforming, they're as unpleasant as they are with trans ppl.

A life working in construction, as a woman. Since the 80s, not an era particularly enlightened yet to the fact that women had ventured out from the kitchen.

Hmmm I'm just going to go and look in the mirror and have a two minute hate at my reflection.

I would add that gender nonconformity doesn't necessarily equal 'people are different.'

Gender is society's rules and expectations imposed upon people, particularly women, which then tries to maintain this is a result of their sex. Rather than their socialisation.

So women should be compliant, feminine, submissive and lady like.

So when men wear make-up and frocks and act feminine, and, crucially maintain this must mean they're women, they are underpinning the gender stereotype.

Whilst, simultaneously, their socialisation remains the same and their actual behaviour is as gender conforming as can be. Dominating women, ignoring boundaries, feeling entitled to, and demanding access to, what's not theirs. It doesn't get more stereotypically 'male'.

Transgender ideology ensures that men fulfil society's gender expectations from start to finish.

What would be gender nonconforming is if man wore what they liked, including feminine clothes, but still called themselves men, did not demand access to things that are women's, and advocated for women's rights. (And not in a transparent, self serving pretendy way, that gc women can spot at fifty paces).

Yup, happy to share mine too.

Hardly 'right wing'. And definitely not authoritarian. Where as the views of the authoritarian follower personality is so very often evidenced in those busy scolding women for believing in equality for women.

(And do I have a sane left political party I can vote for? No. I do not.)

Extraordinary how someone hijacked this thread......but I suppose it's a real life example.
The erudition and knowledge and level of debate here is extraordinary.
Thank you Op for raising this thread. Like you, I am here to learn.
I first came across the three letter word that cant be used here at a work meeting to support a 'transitioning' person. I have even forgotten what it was supposed to mean.
I could google it, but can I trust the source?
Could someone who knows kindly explain the origin or why it was invented.? I get that it is considered offensive but dont know why.
If it cannot be used, please refer to it as 'the three letter word'..
Thankyou.