How do you speak up without being called transphobic

[Enterusername111333]

I just feel so lost... I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations so I just take the easy option. Where does it end?

And how does it help you when women who do no violence but want to keep safe spaces for biological women and girls, for safeguarding, are given the same transphobic label as those being physically violent to you? How do you then identify those YOU need to be safeguarded from if we're all called transphobic?

And I can't help but wonder how many of the people who'd be kicking you were AMAB? Likelihood of more than 50%? That's why women and girls need safeguarding.

You should never be physically harmed. That’s beyond awful. And you should definitely go to the police.

But safeguarding for natal women should not be dismissed.

I'm not entirely sure where you've got the police bit from. If you've been a victim of crime of course you should go to the police. However (as seems to be the case with trans ideology) you are conflating two separate issues. Homophobia and transphobia are not ok. However, what is happening now in the name of trans rights and so-called transphobia is not the same as what happened with gay rights and homophobia. We (mostly women) are being gaslit into accepting and in extension validating a mans feelings of what he thinks a woman is. I would not go around saying I am a black woman and yet men who say they are (trans)women are doing so with increasing severity and violence. As a human being you are absolutely entitled to do as you wish, wear what you like, but this should never be at the cost of anothers freedom of speech or designated safe space.

I'm interested in your thoughts on this - why do you think transwomen are dominating the discussion and not transmen?

No one should ever be assaulted which is why women need their own spaces and trans women need their own. Biological men never belong in womens safe spaces.

Neither do I Zara. I tend to have to ensure my feet are firmly on the ground and pink/blue/gender non conforming unicorns aren't floating around my head.

I think all visitors to this thread will realise the posters in here believe that nobody should be beaten up, if they are they should go to the police.
However, that does not change the fact biological reality exists and no male should go in female spaces.

Being gender critical is the opposite of being socially conservative. Gender critical feminism wants to abolish gender stereotypes, not reinforce them. Unlike trans activists, I don’t believe that not fitting a socially-constructed mould of masculinity makes someone a woman.

Well done for proving the OP’s point, though.

OP, accusing us of things that we don’t do or think is par for the course. You become immune to the attempts to do this once you realise it’s a cynical tactic to shame you and shut you up. It stops working once you see it for what it is.

I didn't get you started lol..if you want to talk about old Blanchardian nonsense I can, but as someone who has read into that particular silliness, you'll have a hard time.

For your benefit, I will say that AGP is a minor thing amongst cisgender men and that anyone who is sexually motivated to transition should note that transition meds will do a number on your sex drive so you won't feel motivated to continue as those of us who have a sex change are.

In 99% of cases 'AGP' and 'HSTS' is used as a homophobic trope i.e. that we can separate trans women on the basis that (a) they're oversexed or (b) they're perverted. It's all the same shit that has been levelled at LGBT people for a long time.

I can write essays on how bad Blanchard's stuff was (and is) but modern research has moved onto the neuropsychology of trans existence. I'd recommend this article as a starter and lit review:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6235900/

It's okay, you're safe here on
Mumsnet, the most transphobic space I've ever come across 😂

@EvilBee thank-you for your link. However as cited in the paper, data is based on very small samples (with even fewer in adolescents) and with lots of confounders, particularly related to trauma, one has to be particularly careful in drawing any meaningful conclusions. What is emerging however is the damage that these types of medications are causing, particularly with adolescents and is one of the central reasons there use in adolescent trans care has been halted.

How come a woman asks a question as the OP but the thread ends up being dominated by responding to particular poster and the OP's question gets lost? Does this not just replicate normal sexist patterns?

OP, as equally meaningless as the “transphobic” accusation, is the “far right” accusation, seen above.

I just ignore it and don’t care. It’s been incredibly liberating. Accuse me of whatever you want, doesn’t change reality 🤣

I do know that there are many physical trans attacks & agree actually that going back through history people were imprisoned, ridiculed, excluded & beaten for being gay. This is a matter of history & I see the same fear response with trans people.

Gay people were dangerous, diseased, mentally unwell, conversion therapy was indicated in some areas. This often included painful processes such was the shame of being gay.

Those that talk about coming out as gay in the 80's - this is nothing like what it was like a couple of decades before. Although I remember being at school in the 70's & 80's & literally no-one was gay, no-one would risk being a social outcast by admitting this.

Thank you. You’re doing very well at proving my point about bad-faith arguments.

Many gender critical women are gender non-conforming and have been for decades. We just don’t think this makes us the opposite sex.

And this is a U.K. site. I doubt most people on here have heard of Heritage, nor is there any religious right group in this country that many of us could name. We’re not indoctrinated by religion in this country, whether fundamentalist Christianity or secular religions like gender ideology. Please stop assuming that the U.K. is an outpost of the US, it smacks of cultural imperialism.

Good morning everyone! Rise and shine! Time for some more wildly unsubstantiated claims from Evil. My favourite from this morning so far: gender CRITICAL feminists are PRO gender norms because they despise gender non-conformity.

You're right, Evil. My husband looked after the baby yesterday afternoon, whilst I went and got the car lights sorted at Halfords. The self-loathing I've felt ever since has been paralysing. 😂

Jokes asides, I thought you knew it was best to not debate "cranks" on the internet? Why are you still bothering, out of interest?

@EvilBee you cite a small percentage of AGPs? Where is this from exactly? One of the main issues with the gender ID law just passed in Scotland is that we don't know how many men will abuse the system. Data trying to state that there was no harm from those that have already imposed self ID routinely doesn't collate the data so we don't know.

The fact remains - men tend to perpetuate crime against women (and TW). Sex offenders and alike are also extremely manipulative and will do whatever they can to gain power and control. The problem we have is the overlap between these two. GC don't have an issue with people expressing themselves, but we do have objection to the most vocal amongst the trans(women) community demanding access, and if not threatening and committing violence, against women. It's a vicious circle, and ironic, because these very same people are exactly why we need sex-based protected spaces.

Again - I'm curious - why do you think TW dominate the trans discussion?

OP - I'm afraid evil is utilizing a tactic that I have seen and experienced. They tend to bamboozle you with ‘facts’ and then accuse you of trabsphobia for not agreeing. This literally epitomises male privilege.

can we just agree to ignore derailers?

@SallyLockheart i’m biting aren't I. You are right. I will try. Plus I know @GCAcademic is much better versed and eloquent in this topic.

Any one worried about the trans take over of women’s spaces need to be aware that Starmer is in favour of introducing the Scottish Law into the UK, if Labour get into power. One reason I would never vote for them. We need to support JKR

@Enterusername111333 it's really bloody hard to not being called a trabsphobe. Literally it feels the convo goes a little like this

TW - I am a TW
Sparkly - good for you
TW - I am therefore a woman and I am entitled to use all female spaces
Sparkly - but...
TW - TRANSPHOBE!!!

The truth is IME you can't have an actual discussion about it. Only recently was my ass hurled into a meeting questioning my GC beliefs because I spoke to someone about the CASS report and the implications for our profession. Before I knew it I was being accused of conversion therapy. I kid you not. I think for now, let the evidence mount, let politicians actually find there vulvas (courage) and make the necessary laws and policies (like Switzerland just did).

If we keep quiet and We're told that no-one knew about the issues and if we raise our voices, We're told We're unladylike and crude.

More and more people are becoming aware of the insideous creep of gender ideology and what it actually means for single sex spaces and services. I've had at least 3 conversations in the past week with people who have said 'have you seen...'.

The conversations are going to get easier and easier, OP.

And yes, everything is transphobic - wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/