How do you speak up without being called transphobic

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I just feel so lost... I don't know how to voice my opinion without accusations so I just take the easy option. Where does it end?

Village I find that word offensive because it suggests that, as a woman, I am in a subset of my own sex class. I don’t believe TWAW, I understand that women are women, no other descriptor is needed.

I’m interested in the origin too

That's really good advice, @RoaringtoLangClegintheDark, to choose someone to speak to one to one, and just one topic to speak about with them: whichever you think they will be most interested in eg sports, or prisons, or the Cass report. Be patient, non-aggressive, and don't expect them to have background knowledge. But they are your friends, and presumably intelligent, ethical people - so hopefully they will eventually understand.

Also, I'd say don't worry too much if you don't think you expressed it brilliantly or they don't come over to your point of view. It takes time, but this is how we get people to think about it for themselves: even to realise that there is something to think about.

It took a long time for me to realise there was something to think about, something amiss. Like most people, I had a generalised woolly #bekind positivity towards Trans people. About 3 years ago, a colleague patiently explained to me why he was protesting against a specific harm to women caused by the Trans Rights movement (Hampstead Ponds in North London becoming unavailable to the local Muslim women because Transwomen insisted using the women's pool as well as the men's and the mixed). After he explained, I agreed it wasn't fair and wished him luck with the protest, but still didn't see that there was a wider problem. It took several more years for the penny to drop - and when it did I felt rather stupid not to have seen the wider context!

Have an oppion but don't be transphobic? If it looks transphobic , sounds transphobic it is transphobic

Plus anyone want to see the lovely photo's from my most amazing of sister's civil ceremony to her (well eventually after the laws changed to finally let them get married rather than civil partnershipped) wife.

They're really quite beautiful.

We all wore purple.

Now I never wear women's clothes. Never. But...

I wore a skirt, and a frilly sleeved top from the women's section, and heels and makeup. And straightened my hair. Because she was worth it, because I love her. Oh and because I'm also not a homophobe.

EvilBee · Today 01:51
remember the old trope "everything is homophobic" - turns out, they were right, but that old trope is being recycled for transphobia.

That is not true. On the contrary it is trans ideology that can be homophobic.

If a young person is non conforming to sexual stereotypes, say a more feminine presenting boy or a more tomboy-like girl, though most will grow up to be heterosexual, a certain proportion will normally be homosexual. They are increasingly under pressure now to ‘trans their gay away’.

Also, if a transwoman says they are a lesbian and expects a female homosexual to accept them as a sexual partner, that is homophobia and potentially showing a rapist’s sense of entitlement - and vice versa is true too.

This is why the LGB alliance has distanced itself from TQ+

This is also why the Gay Men’s Network wrote this critique about trans ideology in relation to a consultation with the CPS:
Called,
Deception as to Biological sex in cases of rape and serious sexual offences.
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The man at the end of my street who I've known since a boy. He's still the same friendly neighbour now he's identifys as a woman, I'd never insult him or call him a name, but I know he's a him and I won't be quite so pleasant if i bump into him in the chathing rooms of the swimming baths, because he's a man. Not because he is a transwoman

Evilbee’s old trope ‘everything is homophobic’ was, I think, very recently made up be Evilbee. It seems that none of us who actually lived through it remember it

Yes, I'm guessing that poster identifies as a different age, as well as a different sex.

Lordy, still hijacker focussed.....
Would love to see purple wedding photos, having only attended a red and purple wedding once....
But nearly one of the clock and not a child in the house washed or dressed.
Will bob back later to see if anyone can enlighten me......

I feel like it's getting increasingly easier. I have started conversations at work which I didn't feel able to a few months ago. I tend to say something like "I'm not transphobic. I'm concerned about the introduction of loopholes that compromise children and women's safety." If anyone disputes that it tells me they have no regard for kids and women.

Now I never wear women's clothes. Never. But...I wore a skirt, and a frilly sleeved top from the women's section, and heels and makeup. And straightened my hair. Because she was worth it, because I love her. Oh and because I'm also not a homophobe.

? You wore stereotypical feminine clothes to a same sex civil partnership ceremony because you’re not a homophobe? If you had worn unisex clothing, would that mean you are a homophobe? Why was she “worth it” for you to wear “women’s clothes”…did she ask you to? Does she prefer you to dress that way? Why does what you wore matter?

Oh, and if I was having that same conversation now, but I was my colleague, I would be scared! I didn't call him a transphobe, but I was very openly surprised at his position (he's a very socially-aware, social-justice type person) and challenged him hard.

But he was very calm and patient, explaining it - and it was obvious that his position was reasonable. I certainly remembered the conversation. Now if course, I agree with him, and think it's great that he realised the issue so early!

I try to remember that when my own conversations with friends don't go so well!

It is Switzerland. There was something on Twitter yesterday. My understanding is that they refuse to recognise any more than 2 genders so won’t accept a no gender or third gender option for official records. Basically they say that gender (and I’m not sure if they mean sex or gender) as a binary concept (which gender ideology disputes). I believe that they still accept transitioning between the 2.

Thankyou for the correction Justme, and good to hear 💐

I am about 3mm above you. Odd isn't it? That we are all such rabid and consistent liars, maybe clones or socks... or maybe just not at all right wing.

Let me think...

Because if i was a homophobic bigot like gets suggested about us "GC"folk i may have gone to it grudingly, family and all, but I wouldn't have put in one iota of additional effort.

I put myself out of my comfort zone, i presented myself to the world not as my true authentic self but how many sister wanted me look to the world on her wedding day. that made feel very vulnerable and, very wrong, to use another ideologies words.

But I did it to show someone else that they mattered.

Now do any of those actions warrant me getting accused of homophobia.

Was what I did a sign of raging rampant hated of a marginalised othered (not my word these have been used to insult me before) group veering to the more conservative thought processes im being accused of or someone who's kind and tolerant and believes EVERYONE should be able to live as however they choose.

Because if this shows im a bigot well, then there's no hope is there. Were doomed.

This whole thread will disappear soon, just like all the others.

Big Brother is watching. There is no free speech allowed on MN unless is the right (pro-trans) kind of speech.

In fact, the whole concept of MN being for 'Mums' i.e. women is a joke. MN does not care about the rights of females.

@SamphirethePogoingStickerist ooh political homeless twins

Yep. Even looking at local issues alone I am left with some truly weird options, none of which I can bring myself to endorse.

Short answer: you can't. It's a very effective silencing tactic. I expressed concern about troubled teenagers losing their fertility and was told I wanted all trans people to die. You just need to ignore it and keep speaking out.

I first came across the three letter word that cant be used here at a work meeting to support a 'transitioning' person. I have even forgotten what it was supposed to mean.
I could google it, but can I trust the source?
Could someone who knows kindly explain the origin or why it was invented.? I get that it is considered offensive but dont know why.

I'm not sure which three letter word you mean? Usually so long as you're not applying an offensive word to or at someone it's okay, could you miss out some letters and type it out?

@Rheia1983

dcenquirer.com/gender-ideology-transgnederism-switzerland-rejection/

How do you speak up without being called transphobic

You can't. So just embrace it.

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You see? By thought, by word, by deed, you will be judged a sinner OP. No way to avoid it, so you might as well not bother worrying about it. Any more than anyone else telling you you're damned according to their religious faith.