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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Heroes walk among us

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FatEaredFuck · 22/12/2022 20:06

@GussetGripper

Do take a bow! (At least, I really think this is you?!)

OP posts:
SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 25/12/2022 09:15

landOFconfusion · 24/12/2022 22:59

A protest action that requires esoteric knowledge to be interpreted is a failed protest.

The only people that this protest will appeal to are people who are already high on the farts of GC ideology.

Ooh! Does someone feel utterly inferior there?

I hope typing that out relieved a modicum of your fear of educated women

DialSquare · 25/12/2022 10:57

"But many of us understood it, knew what was being referred to in both speech and merkin."

Exactly. And many who didn't know, now do so I can't see the issue with it.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 25/12/2022 11:10

Yep. For the open minded every day is a learning day 🙂

FatEaredFuck · 25/12/2022 12:17

I started this thread without understanding the cultural significance of it.

I liked it because her vivid protest was headlining the news about the reforms. Otherwise headlines would have ran with "reforms passed" and buried in the article would say there were detractors and maybe they would even write there was a banner, or some protestors shouted.

Instead the news was of the farce in the Scottish Parliament. A stunt makes people wonder what it's being done for. The debate means someone new might consider the protest.

That she made a mockery of the Parliament in my eyes showed the outrage at what they were doing. Anything else she may have done to cause a scene, may have caused people alarm or distress. All she had to give was herself, and she did it for us all.

Get it right up yas, Merry Christmas Gin

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Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 12:49

@FatEaredFuck 👏👏Well said OP

Have a good Christmas

Boiled x

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 17:48

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2022 23:41

Thanks for posting this Arabella. I just watched it and realised my post upthread repeated much of what she said about sexualisation and vulnerability. Oops. I should have watched before posting!

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 18:15

And just an update for those who tried to declare this as a ‘failed’ protest…. In the past few days, and despite Christmas distractions, the petition for getting this discussion to Westminster has nearly grown from 48k to 58k (it will be by end of today if it continues as it has today!). A 20% jump over this time of year (considering it Christmas) over a period of days is remarkable.

Having talked to women on the street in the past week while leafletting, women are concerned but won’t sign this petition as they worry about their names being available. Can you imagine if the names were secure and women did not fear repercussions? The pushback would be swift and undeniable.

No. This was not a failed protest.

And males who simply cannot ever understand the female experience will never understand this protest. And … I am still laughing that one wrote something to the effect that this was ‘talking to the converted’. Although I have used much more neutral wording in my paraphrasing.

Fuck! Wims. Imagine that! A woman protesting to inspire other women to act with her actions! A woman protesting in a way that many (obviously not all) women immediately understand the meaning of the act on multiple levels that no male could ever achieve!!

Imagine that! Then imagine a male who seems to hate women who disagree with them writing posts that denigrate those women!!!

Seriously? Whoodathunkit ? Who the fuck is surprised? Anyone surprised to see misogyny on a FWR thread?

From a poster who had ignored Māori women who disagree with them, and who victim blamed Fred Sargeant for being violently assaulted at a Pride parade, and who scolded women who disagreed with them about James Barry (and who ignorantly presumes they know anything about James Barry and the issues they faced). Just to name a few examples of their contributions from the past months.

No surprises here at all. Just any opportunity to scold, diminish and denigrate women it seems to me.

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 18:32

By the way, just in case anyone missed this. Here is a link to the consultation results.

Imagine a government who completely ignores the results of a consultation such as this? And ignores public opinion polls that match this result?

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/gender-recognition-bill/equalities-committee-summary-of-short-survey-grr-bill-responses.pdf

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 18:46

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 18:32

By the way, just in case anyone missed this. Here is a link to the consultation results.

Imagine a government who completely ignores the results of a consultation such as this? And ignores public opinion polls that match this result?

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/gender-recognition-bill/equalities-committee-summary-of-short-survey-grr-bill-responses.pdf

I'm not going to want to open this am I? Am i going to get angry? Is this one of those things that does actually need a trigger warning! as in Trigger warning: you will turn into a raging ball of fury if you read this report

😁

Bosky · 25/12/2022 19:11

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 03:39

You simoly can not seem to post on this board with any sense of positive engagement can you? Your deep prejudice and disdain against people who disagree with you is palpable.

In any case, what does it matter if this was a rallying call to woman across the world? If Elaine, a woman known for her gentle humour and her tireless work to help women strengthen their pelvic floor muscles, to give their health and dignity back, lifts her skirt to show a merkin shown on to tights, it certainly signals to woman that the work needs to step up yet another notch.

Show she showed a merkin attached to her tights, and she was very succinct in her carefully chosen words. Did you notice how at the end she called them ‘terrible, terrible people’?

Do you think women around Scotland noticed her restraint in the language she used to go with that act?

That is not the signs of a deranged woman delivering a failed or even ‘estoteric’ protest. That was part rallying call, delivered by a woman who wears a vagina suit for work, part protest of a woman who delivered a shock that was not actually indecent that would capture attention.

Or maybe, just maybe those who thought this was ‘indecent’ actually thought that she showed her ‘vagina’ or even her ‘vulva’ because they have not ever brought themselves to understand female anatomy. That someone would think that would be a woman’s natural pubic hair (still showing a lack of knowledge about the real female lived experience in this era of pornification) is remarkable. Almost as remarkable as the article saying she exposed her ‘genitals’! Plus they seemed to have missed the multiple facets of this particular action - like the Glasgow witches, like the dinosaurs that pop up everywhere.

The shock value was that she lifted her skirt. That she was fully covered means people are talking about her words, not her arousal at the fact she urinated on herself while dressed as the opposite sex. Not that she stripped naked and played the piano with her fully exposed genitals. Not that people who will have been traumatised by being told to ‘suck trans dick!’. Not that she physically assaulted someone by violence. Certainly not a protest with a baseball bat painted with the trans flag. Or a group of people blocking access to a film or a seminar or a debate.

No. She, a woman and all the symbolism of women doing this in the past, actually lifted her skirt and showed the world …. a merkin! Then delivered a statement that was talking about how the government just treated vulnerable women.

By also symbolically making herself vulnerable! A fact that most women will have subconsciously picked up on even if it took time to process it.

No. As an adult human female, I understood her action, even if I didn’t know the historical significance. It is not hard to understand this.

Posters also seem to ignore that the women were checked at security for wearing the very hateful haberdashery. I doubt her known vagina outfit would have been allowed into the gallery.

This was not a ‘failed’ protest. Far from it.

But I did laugh at the derisory attempt to deliver a ‘gotcha’ . Well, fuck, it was a rallying call to women?? Gee! Who would have thought that possible! What a clever ‘gotcha’ that was!

Hellofabore . YES!!! 👏

"Posters also seem to ignore that the women were checked at security for wearing the very hateful haberdashery. I doubt her known vagina outfit would have been allowed into the gallery."

I did have a delightful little day dream that, if Security had not been searching women for hateful haberdashery and seditious Suffragette scarves, Elaine might have been able to sit in the front row of the public gallery sporting her highly educational pussy pinny throughout the whole proceedings, to remind and shame those reality-denying, disgusting, misogynistic MSPs of the importance, complexity and beauty of the female body.

Her instagram photos are just glorious! This is female anatomy and function for the female gaze, wit and humour.
www.instagram.com/gusset_grippers/

Her language of bum-holes and fannies also speaks to the majority of women. Women who trade in commonplace terms rather than "correct" latinate medical lingo but who, along with their "polite" sisters, would benefit from learning more about our anatomy and how it functions. Women who enjoy bawdy humour but - shock! horror! - might never have read or heard of Chaucer's Tales and the bawdy Wife of Bath.

(Before anyone points out that "fanny" is potentially confusing because it refers to different parts of the anatomy in US English vs UK English, well, so, apparently, does "vagina", ie. as a colloquial rather than medical term.)

What made Elaine's gesture powerful, rather than comedic or sexual, was the accompanying anger, her rage against the outrageous indecency of politicians who had voted to lock women up with males, including males convicted of rape, violence and torture of women, children and men.

Not one of those MSPs would dare vote for hare coursing, badger baiting or fox hunting yet they voted for women to be used as prey:

They legislated for the status of women to be not merely sub-human but to be less than that of animals.

In case anyone is thinking, "Well, at least it is not done for sport - no one is actually gambling on the outcome of incarcerating rapists with women!" - I wouldn't bank on it, going by the title of this post on a particularly disturbing internet forum:

"Trans female successfully impregnated 2 females in N.J prison"
archive.vn/vintologi.com/threads/trans-female-successfully-impregnated-2-females-in-n-j-prison.1035/%23post-6182

I also think that here is more than a smidgeon of "performative prudery" as far as the discussion of apparent, but not actual, fleeting public nakedness as protest..

Back in the 70's everyone understood the difference between a Streaker and a Flasher:

Streaker - usually male but sometimes female - funny and/or a protest and/or a boring exhibitionist
Flasher - always male - creepy and/or threatening pervert.

I suppose that, to some, the 70's might seem as much ancient history as Anasyrma:
archive.vn/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1606393268765224962.html

However, the claims that some people might not in the first instance "get" the purpose and intended impact of Elaine's protest and therefore suffer in some way or be "put off" objecting to the notion that rapists should be imprisoned with women, due to their sorry lack of learning, well, that smacks of 1960 and the words of Mervyn Griffith-Jones, prosecutor in the "Lady Chatterley's Lover" obscenity trial, who asked the jury, “Is it a book that you would even wish your wife or servants to read?”

It is also risible to suggest that children sitting in the Public Gallery behind Elaine could have come to any harm due to Elaine revealing her sporran-like fake muff out of their line of sight for less than two seconds.

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 19:42

It is also risible to suggest that children sitting in the Public Gallery behind Elaine could have come to any harm due to Elaine revealing her sporran-like fake muff out of their line of sight for less than two seconds.
Heroes walk among us

I do not know the layout of the gallery, but it seemed to me that she was at the front and that the children would not have seen. Maybe someone can show footage that shows different.

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 20:16

"Her language of bum-holes and fannies also speaks to the majority of women. Women who trade in commonplace terms rather than "correct" latinate medical lingo but who, along with their "polite" sisters, would benefit from learning more about our anatomy and how it functions. Women who enjoy bawdy humour but - shock! horror! - might never have read or heard of Chaucer's Tales and the bawdy Wife of Bath. "

@Bosky you're not wrong. Want to see the extent of the body and sex education I got from my mother (as opposed to the sex education she allowed her boyfriend to give me), see the attached photo.

Add in some fairly memorable sex education lessons in high school, but only memorable for the catty remark from the teacher "you should be good at this section Boiled" the actual content was missed by the fact that we are all mortified to be getting taught this by a teacher that looking back was only a few years older than us.

I only started to learn about my own female anatomy when it started going wrong. I swear I never want to see another surgeon or consultant drawing of my fallopian tubes, my uterus ( the current surgeon is fascinated its amazing apparently, huge. It must be huge he once spent three hours fiddling around in there and it was only supposed to be 30 minutes. I reckon he's got lost) etc ever again.

Heroes walk among us
Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 20:24

Flasher - always male - creepy and/or threatening perver

ah memories of the 70s no play out in the park was complete without the bloke appearing out of the bushes and opening his raincoat to show small kids his penis.

Happy days!!!! I'm assuming unsolicited dick pics is the modern version. But what about the children? Oh that's alright the guy from mermaids with his penis montage on easily accessible Twitter can do for them.

Bosky · 25/12/2022 20:27

BoiledBeetle - "as opposed to the sex education she allowed her boyfriend to give me"

I am so sorry that happened to you. The violation and such depraved betrayal of ones own child! Flowers

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 20:34

Bosky · 25/12/2022 20:27

BoiledBeetle - "as opposed to the sex education she allowed her boyfriend to give me"

I am so sorry that happened to you. The violation and such depraved betrayal of ones own child! Flowers

she's long dead and burning somewhere hot, as is he now,

But it's why these days I give no fucks for men and their wants and needs and I centre my actions on what's best for the woman and her needs and wants.

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 20:36

I can never give you enough flowers boiled. Flowers

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 20:38

Actually having written that I've just realised if a man comes up to me to ask me something I'll ask him what he wants, but if a woman comes up to ask me something I'm more likely to ask her what she needs.

Says it all doesn't it.

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 20:43

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 20:36

I can never give you enough flowers boiled. Flowers

Hmmm....have you seen my fan womaning on the other thread? You might be taking those back and issuing me with a restraining order instead.

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 20:53

I have not been reading new threads tonight boiled, I have limited data at the moment so I am sparing myself. You know I sometimes get sucked in to new threads !!!!

However, I daresay I shall never need a restraining order for you boiled, you are one wise and brave woman! X

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 21:01

@Helleofabore you'll come across it at some point.

But if you are looking for a fluffy one to read the FWR women of the year one has a wonderful two deleted post rant from someone and the only post of theirs that remains is one that purely states the person they hate, but it looks like that's who they are voting for.

I have screenshots for when they realise and get their remaining post deleted.

Don't know who reported their first two posts????

Sniggers.

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 21:11

😁

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 21:11

Helleofabore · 25/12/2022 19:42

It is also risible to suggest that children sitting in the Public Gallery behind Elaine could have come to any harm due to Elaine revealing her sporran-like fake muff out of their line of sight for less than two seconds.
Heroes walk among us

I do not know the layout of the gallery, but it seemed to me that she was at the front and that the children would not have seen. Maybe someone can show footage that shows different.

Unless the children were down on the floor with the politicians, Elaine was in the front row, the only person in front who got the whole show was the female security person? Who looked like she didn't know what to do. There was some men trying to pull the flag of the women at the other end.

Unless Elaine had a child sat down literally on the floor in front of her seat i don't see how the kids could have seen.

TheSilveryPussycat · 25/12/2022 23:02

I am glad if it has raised consciousness, as we old hippies used to say, but still uneasy that fake flashing is OK - isn't part of the point that at first glance it looks like real flashing?

Anyway, never mind. Sunshine, wherever it may come from, is always welcome.

Boiledbeetle · 25/12/2022 23:20

@TheSilveryPussycat but that's the point, in years of old it would have been actual flashing she'd have done, but laws, photography, video all new relatively recently mean that this was the closet she could come to the protests of history. So yes it might have at first glance looked like she's done something awful, but a second look and you see how ridiculous her outfit actually looks. Plus anyone that googled her will soon find photos of her wandering the streets in a vagina outfit so.. Make of that what you will, but hopefully once people look and read what she does for a living they'll totally get why she was so annoyed.

The things the other side of this debate have done have been truly disgusting so I get the initial urghhh what the fuck moment it no doubt drew from a lot of people, but I think she was left with very few options to ensure the point was made.

Sometimes you really do have to do something that really gets people talking. She's certainly achieved that hasn't she.

Hope your Christmas has been good.

Slothtoes · 27/12/2022 08:52

By the way, just in case anyone missed this. Here is a link to the consultation results.

Imagine a government who completely ignores the results of a consultation such as this? And ignores public opinion polls that match this result?

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/gender-recognition-bill/equalities-committee-summary-of-short-survey-grr-bill-responses.pdf

OMG that consultation report.
it’s absurd! over 4x as many respondents said no as said yes.

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