Two Survivors Allege They Were “Groomed,” Sexually Exploited By Staff at Scottish LGBT Youth Charity

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people who want to talk to children about sex need very careful looking at. most of them are fucking dodgy in my opinion.

I remember a rather brisk and breezy biology teacher showing us a video and giving a talk. she didn't enjoy it much but doing it was part of her job, so she did it.

teaching children what to expect as their bodies mature is only fair. but only weirdos enjoy it.

Oh, I've had this particular argument more than once with other parents. Once when a child was out in a Tshirt in sub zero temps. 'She'll put on a coat if she's cold' was his repeated assertion.

I had to explain how hypothermia works, and that as she was shivering, pale, and confused she may not be thinking straight.

Thing is, it all sounds so lovely and gentle and child centred.

Once they’re a bit older, we’ve somehow decided that they must have bodily autonomy. So they should decide whether what they wear and how they present their bodies. Or to decide who should touch them and how.

They are able to make an informed choice about these things. Indeed they have a right to be informed about all sorts of things because withholding information is childist. They need to know about breast binding and sexual fetishes. So they can make their own decisions. At 13. In a group with 25 year olds, facilitated by adults who think they need to know about furries and erotic asphyxiation and such like.

It’s not even a slippery slope argument. The problem is that we are demonising the very concept of adult authority or the possibility that adults should act in the best interests of children. It’s a problem at all ages.

I have just pinned my toddler to the ground with my leg to change a dirty nappy. He protested (hence the pinning down). He isn’t capable of deciding for himself and cannot anticipate the nappy rash that comes from staying in the dirty nappy. He can’t even properly understand that he feels uncomfortable and will simply feel nicer in the clean nappy. It’s not abusive parenting. It’s acting in his best interests and saving him from himself! Quite simply, I do know better than he does. And he doesn’t and should not get to decide.

we are demonising the very concept of adult authority or the possibility that adults should act in the best interests of children.

Yes.

And at the same time as adults find ever new and interesting ways to avoid all responsibility or having to cope with uncomfortable feelings while virtue signalling to keep up with the Jones's develop their enlightened parenting...

on the ground we have an epidemic of childhood anxiety in pre teens never before seen. Kids being evacuated from the Blitz had better mental health than this current primary generation. And there is another massive epidemic of primary aged children who are domestically abusing parents and siblings.

And that's another route altogether from 'shall we all try and think a bit about why this particular political movement would really like your child to be allowed to consent to sex and to having their bodies and futures totally reshaped to fit the personal agenda of this group of adults without you being able to do anything inconvenient like saying no?'

Academia is, as usual, at the forefront of ‘liberating’ children’s sexualities.

This is a call for papers currently doing the rounds: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/pb-assets/assets/10990860/Call%20for%20papers.%20Sexuality%20through%20childrens%20eyes-1670612934453.pdf?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&HootpostID=0d651341-c2e6-4726-bd87-fdaeda9029fb&Profile=wileysociology

It includes this paragraph:

”This special issue focuses on collecting the experiences, perceptions, and meanings around the sexuality of children (understood as sexual subjects) from different parts of the world, emphasising how these experiences become entangled in other social categories - such as gender, age, social class, race, ethnicity and (dis)ability - and showing, at the same time, how children reproduce, negotiate, resist and/or subvert the dominant social constructions. The incorporation of the voices of children from different cultural contexts will allow us to understand the range of ways in which they understand sexuality, how they construct their own sexual subjectivities, how they regulate those of other children, and in what ways inequalities are (re)produced in the field of sexuality.”

A few years ago I came across this one: www.genderonline.cz/en/article/70-call-for-abstracts-for-a-special-issue-childhood-adolescence-and-sexualities

which includes the following:

“Child sexual innocence has also become an important point of contention in the culture wars invoking moral panics about loss of innocence. It has also recently become one of the main topics presented by conservatives in the global anti-gender movement. While in some places the rights of children in general, transgender children, and LGBTQ+ identified children and adolescents are discussed and legal rights debated and sometimes won, in other places parliaments discuss laws that would restrict sex education and legitimize legislation against LGBTQ+. They do this via the concept of sexual innocence.”

The second journal is a bit obscure, but its call for papers was shared in social science groups in the UK.

It isn’t only the actual pedophiles who are pushing away at boundaries around children, the idiots in universities are doing their work for them. Academics too are always looking for new boundaries to push; it wouldn’t do to keep working at the same old topics.

My answer to that would be ooh yes, let's compare that to the revolting document called 'the paedophile manifesto' which is in the public domain. And lets cross reference shall we?

This is no longer innocent stupidity, this is active enabling. And gosh yes, if there isn't a 'moral panic' yet, this would be a pretty good time to have one.

Agree. I recently overheard a mother very quietly tell her toddler not to walk along the top of a (wobbly, stony, not very low) wall to “climb down please, darling, it’s not appropriate to be up there.” Appropriate 😂

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Academia is, as usual, at the forefront of ‘liberating’ children’s sexualities.

This is a call for papers currently doing the rounds: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/pb-assets/assets/10990860/Call%20for%20papers.%20Sexuality%20through%20childrens%20eyes-1670612934453.pdf?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=organic&HootpostID=0d651341-c2e6-4726-bd87-fdaeda9029fb&Profile=wileysociology

Re, this part from the paragraph you quoted:

Child sexual innocence has also become an important point of contention in the culture wars invoking moral panics about loss of innocence. It has also recently become one of the main topics presented by conservatives in the global anti-gender movement

That term ‘moral panic’ tells us everything about the writer. That phrase is used to break people’s protective boundaries around children and young people.

’The global anti-gender movement’ is pure non-speak. No one is anti gender. Some people (when they are aware of the following) are against men who feel they identify as women taking up women’s sports, being housed in women’s prisons, having their crimes being recorded as women’s, taking up places or prizes on all women short lists, being allowed in women’s refuges or rape crisis centres, being allowed on women’s hospital wards, and into women’s lavatories and changing rooms. They are also against the ideological brainwashing of young children into believing they may be in the wrong bodies, and the destroying of children’s bodies in the name of ‘gender identity’ ideology.

The global anti-gender movement’ is pure non-speak. No one is anti gender.

This. ^^

Again, it's false marketing.

The movement is for the equality of access, inclusion, consideration and protection of women and children's rights.

If the equality of women and children = anti gender, then there is something very, very wrong with gender.

“Child sexual innocence has also become an important point of contention in the culture wars invoking moral panics about loss of innocence. It has also recently become one of the main topics presented by conservatives in the global anti-gender movement. While in some places the rights of children in general, transgender children, and LGBTQ+ identified children and adolescents are discussed and legal rights debated and sometimes won, in other places parliaments discuss laws that would restrict sex education and legitimize legislation against LGBTQ+. They do this via the concept of sexual innocence.”

Holy fuck. That's laying it all out rather clearly, isn't it?

Presenting paedophilia as a child's rights movement. Fucking hell.

Exceedingly relevant thread on twitter:
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Same thread, via threadreader app.

There is a balance to be had and I’ve been on the conservative extreme end of the spectrum. I grew up around girls that were easily raped and taken advantage of because of stupid christian parents with the idea that girls shouldn’t learn anything about sexual health and boys should know everything so they can “teach” the girls when it’s their time. (but somehow also be knowledgeable enough to prevent rape and sexual assault I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️) I’ve had to calm panicked friends who got their periods and thought they were dying or thought it was happening because they were sinful.

These same people also thought all gay men wanted to molest little boys and rather than wanting to romance and sleep with grown men and simply wanted rights to marry said grown men. So there is some truth to this statement. There was a moral panic. I remember it very well and I lived through it.

However the extreme opposite is also getting creepy and ridiculous. Pushing for flimsy child safety laws so pedophiles can do as they please and chipping away at women’s rights so they can’t be safe. It’s wrong.

The only reason I bring this up is because these things always seem to be a slippery slope. I saw parents arguing on gays against groomers on twitter about whether or not it’s normal for male 13 year olds to be talking about sex or having sex education to their male friends who are the same age. The answer should be obviously yes! They are going through puberty. Why wouldn’t they be talking about sex? They know their bodies are changing and they need a healthy way to express that. Obviously creepy adults are not the healthy outlet.

Let’s keep ourselves in check and make sure we don’t get lost in the fog. I don’t want my child growing up in a world where we start keeping children in the dark about their bodies again because we forgot the past for the sake of political convenience. It would infuriate me. They need a safe age appropriate healthy way to learn about their biology. My sister got her period at nine and I at 11. That information might make some parents uncomfortable. But that’s reality for you. There’s your timeline. Nature is unpleasant sometimes I know.

Sex ed is not what we're talking about, though.

I can't imagine many here on this board would argue against age appropriate sex ed and awareness of biology etc.

This is evil. That's the only word for it.

I thought so too but there seem to be a growing number of voices that think otherwise. I suppose extreme thinking is always the inevitable result of politics. They are free and far between now but… I have little faith in these things these days. Perhaps it’s all doomed.

Where are these voices, though? I've not seen anyone on here suggesting we shouldn't have sex ed.

Of course it's not all 'doomed'. Things go back and forth. We keep on.

Well yes, you hear the extremist nonsense such as 'if you're worried about men raping women in prisons then you should be worried about getting rid of prisons altogether in some far off distant utopia (presumably where sex offenders just rampage around expressing their little selves and the general populace string them up from lamp posts when they're sufficiently sick of them)'.

This is also currently a 'thing'. We seem to live in extremely tedious times.

If it's the blunt option between 'your child is either going to be indoctrinated with a religious faith as if it is the objective truth, with all the possible harms attendant to your child on this, plus be taught that you are a sinner damned for eternity who should be shunned if you deny The Faith' or 'your child learns no sex ed at all' then frankly the second would be less harmful. But this kind of black and white extremist thinking isn't really the norm, and I'd think there would be a lot of more adult and rational positions between the two.

I am pretty confident that the actual societal consensus (not the socially mediated extremes) lies in the middle - with sensible, fact-based sex education for children

yep. the thing that rings alarm bells for me is people who want to tell children how to have 'good' sex and to achieve sexual pleasure. that just straight up isn't something that needs to be taught in schools

yikkes!

I think it depends on the sex-ed. IMO (and I haven't really thought this through properly) sex ed should be about contraception, consent, risk and the basic mechanics. I don't think things like choking, or rimming etc are really appropriate, nor do I think that children should be taught that sometimes lesbians are men.

Let’s keep ourselves in check and make sure we don’t get lost in the fog. I don’t want my child growing up in a world where we start keeping children in the dark about their bodies again because we forgot the past for the sake of political convenience. It would infuriate me. They need a safe age appropriate healthy way to learn about their biology. My sister got her period at nine and I at 11. That information might make some parents uncomfortable. But that’s reality for you. There’s your timeline. Nature is unpleasant sometimes I know

it’s interesting isn’t it? My experience as a young girl was that young boys were obsessed with girls’ bodies and with seeing our knickers and ‘boobies’. I had zero idea why and also no idea why I had to wear tops and boys didn’t or why I had to sit with my legs together, watch out for dirty old men or why there were smutty Father Christmas jokes about children sitting on his lap. I thought that rape was when a man undressed a woman and ran away. There was all this ‘stuff’ happening that I didn’t quite get but which I knew was ‘rude’. Now children are taught the pants rule and are also exposed to sexual language and images much earlier but in some places sex education is being suppressed. In others sex is more likely to be overheard by young children and the resulting pregnancy more obvious. At the same time, I wonder what meanings small girls in Iran make of modesty clothing and why they have to wear it. Merjane Satrapi’s Persepolis tells a lovely story of childhood understanding and resistance to this when the girls are given the veil and all become superheroes by using it as a cape.