What does living as a woman actually mean?

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So if the Scottish parliament votes for the new law, and someone can obtain a certificate stating they're a woman because they have lived as one for 3 months ... is there a definition, description or checklist to ensure the individual has done everything needed? I have a horrid feeling I may now not be a woman under such a definition!

These men would be accepted if they were choosing to wear wigs, make up, dresses, heels etc. That would challenge stereotypes. But claiming to BE woman and the false breasts is just a fucking subjugating insult. They are MEN, if any other category it would be subset of men. I am blindsided that Sturgeon is pursuing this.

Yes!!

If there are no mysoginist alterior motives then why can't these men use the MEN'S Toilets?! If there is a problem then it needs sorted out in the male domain. Women and girls are not safety blankets.

There's one who's started his own thread to gloat about being allowed to trample over womens boundaries, ask him

I was pondering this earlier today when I was in our small piece of woodland. Dressed in jeans, steel toe capped boots and an old jacket of DHs. Up a ladder welding a hedge trimmer or using a pickaxe on some troublesome tree roots.

Still a woman though, due to my xx chromosomes.

There is no reliable definition other than chromosomes, everything else is a fantasy.

Mr or Ms really? So getting a PhD neutered me?

oh God, it isn't even Ms, it's Miss. What is this, the 1980s?

Only 3 months? What nonsense.

The problem is that both those accusations are true. Solidly, irrefutably true. As you say, the only honest definition is adult human female.

In Scotland, those that remotely question it are 're-educated' in correct gender speak by some overpaid EDI wonk.

Well for me this week it has meant

• All night feeds with my sleep-regressed baby, because partner is 'too tired' despite getting far more sleep than me
• picking up all the small presents and food left over for the big day
• wrapping everything
• coordinating visits to both families
• collecting and dropping off parcels
• coordinating cat sitter
• most of the laundry and cleaning / tidying not done by cleaner
• deciding what to eat and shopping
• all care for baby during the day

I haven't washed my hair for days and I can't remember the last time I wore anything other than shoes it's easy to stuff my feet into.

Emotional labour, lack of sleep and mental juggling are what womanhood is to me.

The fact that its got to this point where we are questioning what it means to be a woman is mind boggling. For me, every month, my raging hormones remind me its literally blood, sweat and tears!

Haha so getting a PhD doesn’t just neuter you, but it makes you a man. Anyone remember the British airways glitch where female doctors were told their gender didn’t match the doctor title ? Seriously though, given that dr is unisex does this mean it’s a non binary as opposed to feminine title ? Would I be refused a gra for not living as a woman?

@FlirtsWithRhinos you have explained exactly what it was about all this that I couldn't find the words for. I will use your brilliant explanation

So we have this surreal situation where TRA types are up in arms at the idea trans women may be excluded from some women-only provisions even though their concept of womanhood cannot explain what makes the provisions necessary in the first place. "Woman" becomes so empty of meaning that in practice it means nothing more than "a person who uses the women's facilities".

Yes indeed an actually a large percentage of actual women will also be excluded if we actually literally followed the dogma because most women do not identify as women or perform the femininity which most TA crave.

This one was bragging about going to the women's toilets in a group because the group wanted to employ "strength in numbers".

In other words, they wanted to intimidate women. Why not use your "strength in numbers" to use the men's toilets you're allegedly too scared to use?

Excellent point. This made me laugh 🤣. I'm guessing about mmmm 🤔 0 %

This might have been answered already, but it's absolutely true. I can't remember exactly which document it was in but I came across it as part of the consultation.

It’s been happening for some time already. It’s a nightmare.

My mummy always said "well, speaking as a woman......". It used to make me laugh. Maybe she was ahead of her generation

Yes!

I'm normally pretty good at homing in on language that doesn't make sense, but in this fiasco there is so much utter nonsense that I hadn't got to the phrasing.

You're right - "identity as" makes no sense. We identify other, external, things; we don't identify as them.

This graph of the use of the phrase is illumimating: trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=all&q=%22Identify%20as%22

Somewhere in the Bible there is a description of what a good wife is, that might do for a definition of living as a woman. (Can't at the moment source chapter and verse. Proverbs, I think, and recited to wives by Jewish men, I gather.)

A wife of noble character who can find?
She is worth far more than rubies.
11
Her husband has full confidence in her
and lacks nothing of value.
12
She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.
13
She selects wool and flax
and works with eager hands.
14
She is like the merchant ships,
bringing her food from afar.
15
She gets up while it is still night;
she provides food for her family
and portions for her female servants.
16
She considers a field and buys it;
out of her earnings she plants a vineyard.
17
She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks.
18
She sees that her trading is profitable,
and her lamp does not go out at night.
19
In her hand she holds the distaff
and grasps the spindle with her fingers.
20
She opens her arms to the poor
and extends her hands to the needy.
21
When it snows, she has no fear for her household;
for all of them are clothed in scarlet.
22
She makes coverings for her bed;
she is clothed in fine linen and purple.
23
Her husband is respected at the city gate,
where he takes his seat among the elders of the land.
24
She makes linen garments and sells them
and supplies the merchants with sashes.
25
She is clothed with strength and dignity;
she can laugh at the days to come.
26
She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27
She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
28
Her children arise and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praises her:
29
“Many women do noble things,
but you surpass them all.”
30
Charm is deceptive, and beauty is fleeting;
but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
31
Honor her for all that her hands have done,
and let her works bring her praise at the city gate.

Now what percentage of these things or their equivalent should we expect from a TW?
And which phrases should we demand of them, before they have lived as a woman for five minutes?

Ah that use over time graph is perfect BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn!

(OT but I love your username - I get a wee whiff of the lovely bearcats every time I read it)

It's from Proverbs Chapter 31, verses 10-31, Treaclemine:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proverbs_31#The_good_wife_(31:10–31)

@Treaclemine I love that!