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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie’s back!

291 replies

Whatthechicken · 21/12/2022 21:09

love her, or hate her, we need her…and not a moment too soon.

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1605663118402600961?s=21&t=PWXzDYgfqtMOfbm25dj7Mw

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SantaCarlaCalifornia · 22/12/2022 12:26

Anyway, back to the subject of the thread.

I'm glad she's back on Twitter. I don't even really watch her videos but I absolutely love how she winds people up. The people that hate her give her more publicity than anyone else. They just can't help themselves.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 22/12/2022 12:27

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 12:20

There are actually definitions for all those, the clash is on ideological disagreement as to definitions. You have your own definitions, and society’s status quo has different definitions.

Ah, like "woman"? Which has had a well established status quo for hundreds of years (in English) and millenia (in human languages as a whole)? A definition upon which our existing women's rights were made and rest, and which therefore to redefine now is to wrongly appropriate women's rights for a group to whom they were never intended for?

I assume based on your reply you stand with women (in the original adult human female meaning of the word) in defending the commonly understood meaning of our name and the rights it unlocks?

@Onnabugeisha , you secret "GC" you! Welcome aboard! 😁

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2022 12:34

I love the fact that some of the whining posters who pop up on here whenever KJK is mentioned hang out obsessively on the Royal Family board Grin Grin

And love the self important attempts to shove this board elsewhere. Always a joy to read Grin

AlisonDonut · 22/12/2022 12:51

It really is joyous that we have somewhere else to direct the people critical of Posie that continue their campaign in places where she cannot respond.

So feel free to pop on over to You Tube or now, Twitter and give her a piece of your mind.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 22/12/2022 12:53

And no, genderist ideology does not have "definitions" for these words. It has recursive statements like "anyone who identifies as a woman" or "whether you identity as a man, a woman or neither" which loop infinitely around the lack of definition at the centre with no resolution.

The only way to break the loop is to either tie it back eventually to physical sex and the fact that fundamentally we all know what a woman is really, or tie it to the gender stereotypes which have historically been assigned to female people. Both of those require a second definition of woman which is the actual, foundational definition without which the first cannot exist.

The reason genderists avoid giving them, trapping themselves in the never ending loop, is because neither foundation justifies the demand to treat trans women as if they were female. The first because to identify as a thing is not to be the thing and is therefore not a justification to be treated as if you were, and the second because it pops femaleness out of womanhood entirely, begging the question why should alignment with gender stereotypes be used as a justification to appropriate anything to do with sex.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/12/2022 12:55

and the count down to the weird obsessive coercive controllers who like to monitor this board trying to get threads moved to the 'Politics' deadzone kick off in 3, 2, 1...

I was pretty pissed off about the splitting of FWR, but I thought at least all these people who can't start a none gender related thread in FWR for fear of FWR regulars commenting on it from a feminist (aka gender critical) perspective will have somewhere to go. It might make for some interesting threads

it didn't

just another example of 'If I can't have it no-one can' type behaviour

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/12/2022 12:55

I love the fact that some of the whining posters who pop up on here whenever KJK is mentioned hang out obsessively on the Royal Family board

Yes I saw that too! They seem to be notorious there as well.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 22/12/2022 12:58

I'd never spent much time on the Royal Family board, but I've become rather interested in the whole Megan / Harry shit show.

Also the jewellery. Seriously. there are some amazing blogs and while it's obscene that jewellery of that opulence even exists, it's

  1. beautiful
  2. generally has an amazing history

highly recommended for an evening's rabbit holing

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 13:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/12/2022 12:55

I love the fact that some of the whining posters who pop up on here whenever KJK is mentioned hang out obsessively on the Royal Family board

Yes I saw that too! They seem to be notorious there as well.

You can’t be talking about me. Posting on 4 threads in 6 months is hardly ‘obsessive’

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 22/12/2022 13:21

Funnily enough, not everything is about you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/12/2022 13:24

Grin that's hilarious. <Carly.Simon.gif>

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2022 13:25

As this thread is so regularly bumped, here's KJK herself talking about "guilt by association" & the reality of many of the allegations made against her. It's a good listen (& always worth listening to the woman herself rather than her haters). :

savageminds.substack.com/p/kellie-jay-keen-and-heather-brunskell#details

EdithStourton · 22/12/2022 13:35

I always love the way in which certain posters accuse GC feminists of 'aligning with the Far Right' when most of us (on this board anyway) appear to be politically from the centre to the Left, and are raging that we've been abandoned by those we hoped would speak for us.

Looking at you, Labour, LibDems and the Grauniad.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/12/2022 13:51

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 10:34

I think there should be a politics talk topic, with GC under there as it is a political movement. 🤷‍♀️

Not political, biological realist.

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:00

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 22/12/2022 12:26

Anyway, back to the subject of the thread.

I'm glad she's back on Twitter. I don't even really watch her videos but I absolutely love how she winds people up. The people that hate her give her more publicity than anyone else. They just can't help themselves.

I think she’s going to be seriously hurt at some point. She’s too powerful/intelligent/relatable for TRAs to handle intellectually.

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:01

TheBiologyStupid · 22/12/2022 13:51

Not political, biological realist.

Yep! Come on here to say the very same thing! Biology isn’t ideology.

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:01

EdithStourton · 22/12/2022 13:35

I always love the way in which certain posters accuse GC feminists of 'aligning with the Far Right' when most of us (on this board anyway) appear to be politically from the centre to the Left, and are raging that we've been abandoned by those we hoped would speak for us.

Looking at you, Labour, LibDems and the Grauniad.

And the greens.

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:09

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:01

Yep! Come on here to say the very same thing! Biology isn’t ideology.

Biology isn’t ideology, but a political movement based on the assertion that laws and societal segregation should be determined by biology is certainly an ideology.

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:17

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:09

Biology isn’t ideology, but a political movement based on the assertion that laws and societal segregation should be determined by biology is certainly an ideology.

Omg. So you don’t think there should be laws governing the age of consent? Jfc. Doesn’t take long for the mask to slip eh?

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:19

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2022 13:25

As this thread is so regularly bumped, here's KJK herself talking about "guilt by association" & the reality of many of the allegations made against her. It's a good listen (& always worth listening to the woman herself rather than her haters). :

savageminds.substack.com/p/kellie-jay-keen-and-heather-brunskell#details

You can listen to KJK recounting the events of Jan 2019, and you can also read this news article and watch this video KJK live steamed to Facebook (later deleted by her) of her & Julia Longs “political activism”

Always two sides to every story.
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/prominent-transgender-activist-harassed-anti-trans-feminists-video-shows-n966061

ResisterRex · 22/12/2022 14:20

Some law should be determined by biology. Like this one:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1

1
Rape
(1)
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)
he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)
B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)
A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)
Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)
Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)
A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

BedTaker · 22/12/2022 14:20

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:09

Biology isn’t ideology, but a political movement based on the assertion that laws and societal segregation should be determined by biology is certainly an ideology.

What?! 😂

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:21

TofuonToast · 22/12/2022 14:17

Omg. So you don’t think there should be laws governing the age of consent? Jfc. Doesn’t take long for the mask to slip eh?

No. Why on Earth would you think that? That’s a strange accusation to make when we are discussing what is the definition of an ideology and political movement.

Onnabugeisha · 22/12/2022 14:23

ResisterRex · 22/12/2022 14:20

Some law should be determined by biology. Like this one:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1

1
Rape
(1)
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)
he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)
B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)
A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2)
Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3)
Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4)
A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

In some countries rape does not require a penis. So, how much biology applies varies globally when looking at the crime of rape.

ResisterRex · 22/12/2022 14:35

In some countries rape does not require a penis.

I know. I'm glad that's not the case here and I'm completely opposed to it changing.

So, how much biology applies varies globally when looking at the crime of rape.

Do go off and research it if you wish. My days spent looking this stuff up and pulling it all together were informative.

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