Posie’s back!

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love her, or hate her, we need her…and not a moment too soon.

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1605663118402600961?s=21&t=PWXzDYgfqtMOfbm25dj7Mw

@Onnabugeisha oh come on. Being critical of gender and the way it's used to damage and control women is pretty much central to any type of feminism you'd care to try to think of. Unless you think that feminism is A-OK with gendered stereotypes, gendered roles, gendered expectations, etc etc...??

www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics

Politics section on MN Talk....

Weird. It’s not on my menu under Talk Topics which are listed alphabetically.

There is no evidence. It's very sad how jealous you are.

Yes I posted a thread in there and tumbleweed. I just clicked on this link and it’s still at top of the board. It exists but very low use.

Most GC feminists prefer to post in feminism and actually threads get moved here often anyway

"GC", assuming by that you mean the right of people to notice sex exists and that replacing it with self defined gender identity is bad for society in general and children and female people in particular is not a political movement, it is a political resistance against the unwanted and unfair imposition of regressive, sexist and homophobic gender ideology upon people who do not believe it and are actively damaged by it.

This is important to recognise because unlike a movement, which typically has leaders and common objectives for change, a resistance is more like a mass of different groups realising at the same time something is going wrong and should be resisted. Some of the individual groups involved may have common goals as well but it's not a prerequisite.

If you have been misunderstanding the resistance to mandatory submitting to gender ideology as a movement, that explains your over-indexing on particular individuals as somehow indicative of the group as a whole, because you are expecting to find leaders where in fact there are none.

HTH.

GC in regards to transpeople is not universal to feminism, no.

is not a political movement, it is a political resistance

Political resistance is a type of political movement. 🧐

www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/the-politics-of-resistance-michael-walzer

@FlirtsWithRhinos that is an excellent explanation, I had not previously considered the difference between a movement and resistance to it in that way.

@FlirtsWithRhinos
because you are expecting to find leaders where in fact there are none.

No, I’m not looking for leaders as political resistance movements can be centralised or decentralised in terms of leadership. In fact, resistance movements usually are decentralised and do not have key leaders or a single leader. It’s usually when a country gets to full on revolution or a coup that key leaders or a single leader emerges.

Intelligent post, FWR is good for this

Resistance to an ideology- this is what I’m getting which makes sense

Saying that feminists concerned with the females of the species are not feministy enough because they don't include men and therefore the feminist board on a female dominated forum should be changed because you the proper feminists who do things the right way agree that men should be included in everyone's feminsm really does prove a need for the feminist forum full of feminists who actually only concern themselves with females.

You see that, right?

Which is a political movement.

”A political movement is a collective attempt by a group of people to change government policy or social values.[1] Political movements are usually in opposition to an element of the status quo,[2] and are often associated with a certain ideology.[3]”

Have a read of the Wiki page
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_movement

This is ace thanks. So it really does mean that Posie's new political party can be genuinely called a political party in resistance to an ideology.

So helpful.

What’s feminism?

Surely that was and is a political movement centred on women.

So we’re in the right topic anyway.

We centre on women.

Didn’t say that. I am saying that feminism is a separate movement from the GC movement. Elements of feminism are within it, but they are not one and the same.

Honestly, now I know there is a politics talk topic (it still doesn’t come up on my Talk menu), feminism should be moved to be in that category and other movements added under politics.

It’s the librarian in me. Not everything women do politically is feminism by default and that is how the board seems to be set up. But I’m not that fussed. It’s rather like how I load a dishwasher vs others, we all organise things differently.

Yes exactly. Resistance is a political movement.

Your Talk menu is showing you the Talk groupings, not an exhaustive list of talk topics. Politics is under the group called Other Stuff.

Gosh, isn't it funny how genderists think.it matters what some words mean, yet cannot ever define the three (gender, man and woman) that are fundamental to their ideology?

It's almost like "the personal is political" was never said....

I bet you'd love to hide Feminism away under the tumbleweed topic of Politics, @Onnabugeisha but it's got nothing to do with any librarian tendencies.

Thank you. @MNHQ can politics be moved out of other stuff and made it’s own header so it will show up when I click on talk topics? I had no idea it even existed! And couldn’t find it even though I looked for it….

So if you aren't looking for leaders, why do you put your energy into demonising individuals based on their (alleged) associations instead of the substance of the resistance?

There are actually definitions for all those, the clash is on ideological disagreement as to definitions. You have your own definitions, and society’s status quo has different definitions.

I'm loving the random instructions to MNHQ (who don't get notifications when that tag is used)

I mean we know this poster loves tossing out demands, but it's quite entertaining to see them doing it to other people!

Hilarious. You don’t think feminism as a whole is ‘political’?

If you don’t want to discuss the prioritisation of sex over gender, just stop posting on this board and post on the other one.

This is really getting into dishonest territory again.