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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Statement about the emergency evidence session by the EHRCJ Committee

198 replies

ArabellaScott · 18/12/2022 21:59

14 women's rights organisations have written to protest at bias in the Scottish Government's GRR Bill - I'm guessing it's okay to reproduce large parts of this statement, as it's public:

'Women – in particular those with concerns about the potential impact of this bill on women who have experienced male violence – have been treated with contempt throughout this process, first by the Scottish Government, and now by the majority of the Scottish parliamentary committee. Their concerns have been belittled, misrepresented and dismissed.'

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'The following questions should all be asked of Mr Madrigal-Borloz:

Is it your view that women and girls around the world are singled out for discrimination and disadvantage, such as female infanticide, education denial, forced marriage, restrictions on their liberties and rights, and multiple other legal, social and economic disadvantages, on the basis of something other than their physical sex?

Which countries that have introduced self-declaration systems for legal gender recognition have undertaken evaluations of the impacts on women and girls? Please provide MSPs with details of any such reports, the scope of the evaluation undertaken, date published etc.

How is the monitoring of effects of such laws on women and girls possible where datasets have ceased collecting data on sex, in favour of collecting data on self declared gender identity?

How do you define harms against women and girls? Is it your view that harms should be confined to physical and sexual assaults?

What analysis have you undertaken to assess the degree of reluctance women and girls experience in reporting any incidents? For example, concerns about accusations of committing a hate crime.

What importance do you place on ensuring women and girls’ privacy, dignity and psychological safety?

You claim that women objecting to this law change believe that all transwomen are predators. Please can you provide specific examples of organisations that have made such statements in Scotland.

How would you expect evidence to be found about the change in the incidence of non-contact sexual offences committed by males in women-only spaces, such as voyeurism, after changes in the law and policy?

In countries that have introduced self-declaration systems for legal gender recognition, what measures have been put in place to quantify the numbers of women and girls self-excluding from women-only spaces and services that are now open to transwomen?

Is it your view that safety and fairness matter for women and girls in sport?'

This statement is signed by:

Evidence-Based Social Work Alliance
Fair Play For Women
For Women Scotland
Frontline Feminists Scotland
Keep Prisons Single Sex
MurrayBlackburnMackenzie
Scottish Feminist Network
Sex Matters
Women and Girls Scotland
Women’s Rights Network
Women Voting With Our Feet
Woman’s Place UK
Women Speak Scotland
FiLiA
Johann Lamont (former MSP)
Elaine Smith (former MSP)
Jenny Marra (former MSP)
Marlyn Glen (former MSP)

forwomen.scot/18/12/2022/emergency-evidence-session-by-ehrcj-committee/

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 17:53

No, he seems only to be concerned with males.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 17:54

But he's doing what his job title says on the tin - he's all about sexualities and gender identities.

So 'not caring about women' is presumably not a problem.

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Melroses · 19/12/2022 17:55

Except when gender refers to women - eg gender pay gap 🤔

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 17:55

Maggie Chapman on now to beg Mr Madrigal-Borloz to insult women further.

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Melroses · 19/12/2022 17:56

Culture war just means women too, doesn't it?

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 17:56

I guess it means 'women won't shut up'

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Melroses · 19/12/2022 17:56

Toxic culture war, that is.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 17:58

Stigma, prejudice, discrimination.

'A weaponisation of the very existence of trans and gender diverse persons'

No idea what he's hinting at, tbh.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:00

oh, 'non-trans women and girls' again. There we are, us boring invisible entities with all our womanly privilege.

He's on about 'culture wars' again. This is all irrelevant.

'Questioning the very existence of trans persons' 'horribly stigmatising language describing them as 'men dressed as women''

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:00

Rachael Hamilton. Thank fuck.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:01

Sex offenders - all male - will go to extraordinary lengths.

Asking VMB why he thinks GRR won't be abused if safeguards are removed.

And whether safeguards regarding sex offenders is a reasonable measure.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:02

He and Reem Alsalem are both 'equally mandated' by the UN, VMB says. Good.

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happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:03

he says TW are not 'men at all' WTF?

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:03

VMB says it's okay for women to be worried about sexual predators. Thanks, Vic.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:04

VMB Complaining about the idea that transwomen are 'predatory men in dresses'. 'TW are certainly not predatory men in dresses, they're not men at all'.

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WooWooSlayer · 19/12/2022 18:04

Imagine thinking that a legitimate example of dehumanisation is calling a man in a dress "a man in a dress." I can think of a number of examples of tragic, shocking dehumanisation in the 20th/21st century. That is not one of them.

"Trans women are not men AT ALL." HOW can you make that statement with a straight face?! If they weren't men AT ALL then why would they be trans.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:05

VIC - WHAT ABOUT MEN PRETENDING TO BE TRANSWOMEN. God, is he this thick?

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Melroses · 19/12/2022 18:08

It is beyond willful.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:12

Rachael H now asking if there is a duty for the UK to introduce self ID, and noting that EHRC says existing arrangement already is in accord with international law.

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happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:15

In Latin America 1 TW gets killed every day.....is that true? If so how many are sex workers?

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:20

Latin America is a very different culture than Scotland. He cannot try and impose Latin American issues onto Scotland!

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:21

Pam Duncan Glancy. I can't even be arsed.

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TheBiologyStupid · 19/12/2022 18:28

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:21

Pam Duncan Glancy. I can't even be arsed.

Can't blame you, Arabella!

happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:29

Finally-mentioning Muslim women & there need for single sex spaces

happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:33

Ah but TW ARE women, so nothing to worry about. Jeez Vic how can you be so clueless