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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Statement about the emergency evidence session by the EHRCJ Committee

198 replies

ArabellaScott · 18/12/2022 21:59

14 women's rights organisations have written to protest at bias in the Scottish Government's GRR Bill - I'm guessing it's okay to reproduce large parts of this statement, as it's public:

'Women – in particular those with concerns about the potential impact of this bill on women who have experienced male violence – have been treated with contempt throughout this process, first by the Scottish Government, and now by the majority of the Scottish parliamentary committee. Their concerns have been belittled, misrepresented and dismissed.'

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'The following questions should all be asked of Mr Madrigal-Borloz:

Is it your view that women and girls around the world are singled out for discrimination and disadvantage, such as female infanticide, education denial, forced marriage, restrictions on their liberties and rights, and multiple other legal, social and economic disadvantages, on the basis of something other than their physical sex?

Which countries that have introduced self-declaration systems for legal gender recognition have undertaken evaluations of the impacts on women and girls? Please provide MSPs with details of any such reports, the scope of the evaluation undertaken, date published etc.

How is the monitoring of effects of such laws on women and girls possible where datasets have ceased collecting data on sex, in favour of collecting data on self declared gender identity?

How do you define harms against women and girls? Is it your view that harms should be confined to physical and sexual assaults?

What analysis have you undertaken to assess the degree of reluctance women and girls experience in reporting any incidents? For example, concerns about accusations of committing a hate crime.

What importance do you place on ensuring women and girls’ privacy, dignity and psychological safety?

You claim that women objecting to this law change believe that all transwomen are predators. Please can you provide specific examples of organisations that have made such statements in Scotland.

How would you expect evidence to be found about the change in the incidence of non-contact sexual offences committed by males in women-only spaces, such as voyeurism, after changes in the law and policy?

In countries that have introduced self-declaration systems for legal gender recognition, what measures have been put in place to quantify the numbers of women and girls self-excluding from women-only spaces and services that are now open to transwomen?

Is it your view that safety and fairness matter for women and girls in sport?'

This statement is signed by:

Evidence-Based Social Work Alliance
Fair Play For Women
For Women Scotland
Frontline Feminists Scotland
Keep Prisons Single Sex
MurrayBlackburnMackenzie
Scottish Feminist Network
Sex Matters
Women and Girls Scotland
Women’s Rights Network
Women Voting With Our Feet
Woman’s Place UK
Women Speak Scotland
FiLiA
Johann Lamont (former MSP)
Elaine Smith (former MSP)
Jenny Marra (former MSP)
Marlyn Glen (former MSP)

forwomen.scot/18/12/2022/emergency-evidence-session-by-ehrcj-committee/

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littlbrowndog · 19/12/2022 18:34

Are they Muslim non- transwomen?

littlbrowndog · 19/12/2022 18:35

Why does he call women and girls that name. Non-transwomen

InterestingUsernameTBC · 19/12/2022 18:37

Trans women are women, women are non-trans women.

FOJN · 19/12/2022 18:38

happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:15

In Latin America 1 TW gets killed every day.....is that true? If so how many are sex workers?

Not quite. This article says globally 375 trans people, were killed in 2021. 70% of homicides took place in central and South America, so 263 in a 12 month period.

www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/11/375-transgender-people-murdered-in-2021-deadliest-year-since-records-began/

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:39

Yes. Transwomen are the ones he focusses on and sees as more important. Unless he's trying to avoid pissing off women by using 'cis' women, but I think it's an attempt to try and keep pushing women into a box relating to 'transwomen'.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:39

Hahaha, he can't understand the Scottish accent, I think.

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happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:40

funny how the TW 'community' rights must be given more importance than the community of actual women. There are a lot more women than TW.....

Ramblingnamechanger · 19/12/2022 18:47

Being talked about on bbc Scotland now

WooWooSlayer · 19/12/2022 18:49

Listening to Victor made me want to pull my ears off. So wilfully ignorant towards women and religious minority's concerns. Answering every question about those concerns with inflammatory remarks about "moral panic", "dehumanisation" and "stigma".

Just. Not. Listening. Angry

DameMaud · 19/12/2022 18:51

God, I can only barely handle this second hand.
Thanks for going through it first hand for us Arabella and anyone else who is reporting

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:55

Reem Alsalem on, but tech difficulties.

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happydappy2 · 19/12/2022 18:55

We are now 'women born female'

Utter madness

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:57

Having had a glass of wine thought about it, I think VMB was actually being very clear that his remit does not include women, per se. His focus and remit is sexuality and gender identity.

So hopefully, Reem Alsalem will be bringing the concerns/interests of women to the table, and hopefully she will be given equal weight as VMB. As he said very clearly their expertise was equally weighted.

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WooWooSlayer · 19/12/2022 18:59

"Women in all their diversity" which is for some reason used whenever they mean "a range of actual, biological women and men who think they're women."

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 18:59

'A good opportunity to do a comprehensive adjustment of the GRA'

mentioning the relatino to the EA and impact on single sex spaces.

Females self excluding.

She's great.

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nilsmousehammer · 19/12/2022 18:59

They are men. Every single TW is a man. It is the one sole required defining thing in order to be a TW.

Its being 'kind' and avoiding saying this to avoid hurting feelings that has caused this unholy mess, and it has to stop now. Maya established we have the legal right to state the truth. They are men.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:00

Maggie is on about culture wars again. FFS Maggie.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:01

RA agrees that it's a problem that groups of women trying to reassert sex characteristics and discrimination and protection, they are accused of hate speech.

YES! GO REEM!

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:02

'they are lumped together with all sorts of groups'

brings up freedom of expression. She's on it.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:03

We have to address [LGBTQI discriminaition] but it doesnt mean we can deny others the right to express their needs.

I love her. I actually want to marry her.

Maggie is not happy she didn't centre trans people in her response.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:03

Maggie is lecturing the UN export rapporteur. How fucking embarrassing.

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:04

Maggie says we've heard from SO MANY govt funded women's groups. Which other women's orgs have you approached?

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:05

'Culture wars - I don't think this is the right way to characterise this. This is a fundamental Human Rights issue. ' RA

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:06

RA talks about detransitioners, and other women's groups, and a lack of consideration of their opinions

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ArabellaScott · 19/12/2022 19:06

Maggie's eyes have gone that way they do with the whites showing all round.

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