Or...might it be the other way around? University of Edinburgh events clash

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Lauren Hall-Lew
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UNIVERSITY OF EDINBURGH

14 Dec 18:00 EUSA & Staff Pride Network are hosting a trans solidarity event at Teviot.

The same day, “Edinburgh Academics For Academic Freedom (EAFAF) will be hosting a screening of the film ‘Adult Human Female’ and related discussion. We believe this event will contribute to an unsafe and unwelcoming environment on campus for our trans members.”

Contact the University Secretary ([email protected]) or EUSA VP Welfare ([email protected]) to voice concerns!
Dec 12, 2022, 10:30 · · Mastonaut · 1 · 1

Ah.... yes. The fragrant James. I forgot that thread.

Well that fits the time line for Woof quite well.

I don't think, from the vast wealth of evidence, much of which afterwards you'll wish there was some kind of mental bleach available, that it's just political tactics.

But we're not allowed to mention the many elephants cantering in a highly dodgy manner around the room and stomping everyone's feet to bits.

Entryism: join a movement, take it over, change its aims.

No, nils.

Funny how it's not the done thing to talk about paraphilias.

It's almost like they don't even exist anymore!

It's actually very wrong and horrible and nasty of women to discuss things like fetishes, paraphilias and kinks that revolve around the participation of non-consenting women.

It's basically bigotry to talk about these things.

Women should just shut up about it. Nobody believes you even if it's happened to you. All that 'we believe you' stuff? Fine, unless we're talking about a certain type of male, at which point you are just making it up or being a 'sexual racist' or a horrible bigot.

Otherwise - thank goodness women are at last being listened to and things like voyeurism and exhibitionism are at last being taken seriously, eh? Round of applause for this progressive utopia, everyone!

Funny how it's not the done thing to talk about paraphilias.

It's almost like they don't even exist anymore!

It was like the 'pansexual' thread the other day.

As soon as the conflation between sexual orientation and 'sexuality' was pointed out to then cover the illegal 'sexualities' and that this was a big elephant in the room. And by the way, look at people such as Foucault who was all about destabilising the language around these issues. Posters disappeared.

It seems those who strive to point out that pansexual is a sexual orientation, don't like to have the light shone on that fuckwittery being done at the same time. I took away from that thread that those treating it as an orientation know absolutely what is happening from the other sexualities.

They just want to avoid the connection. What else are they prepared to avoid?

I'm sure there is a dark underbelly to the fixation with period products, but in some cases it has been blindingly obvious that it was being used for PR purposes. Remember Lily Madigan? I often wonder what happened to that charmer. 24 years old now, according to Google. 5 long years since Madigan was elected as Women's Officer in Rochester Constituency Labour Party.

Just saw this. The student paper won't even mention the event or the events that transpired so not to offend their readers delicate sensibilities -

twitter.com/lucy__jacksonx/status/1603027906724249601?s=20&t=CVq6BpEHMTwRfp1OIqnlPA

The very idea that students might hear opinions which differ to their own. The very idea!

The link to Robyn's Insta seems to be mysteriously busted.

I should think it was rather similar to the outcomes for Jess Bradley. The consistency of the pattern is depressing.

Wow, WaitWhat! That's an extraordinary thread. A fabulous example of suppression and self censorship:

'Regarding tonight’s screening of “Adult Human Female” on [Ed Uni] campus. [The Student Paper] have taken the editorial decision not to cover the event as we do not believe in platforming the harmful rhetoric that will undoubtedly affect many of our student readership. 1/

We will instead be focusing on the Trans Solidarity Community event held at the same time by members of [Ed Uni Students] and [sssn edi] - we believe it is more important for us as a student publication to report on the ways our community looks out for each other. 2/

Our attention must be placed on the university’s response, as their refusal to cancel the event in the name of “free speech” is a decision that will incite further hatred against trans people and put many members of our community at further risk. 3/

I urge you to read the statement released by [ucu edinburgh] It is abhorrent that union members have faced racial abuse for speaking out against this and The Student stands in solidarity with all UCU members on this matter. 4/

The Student is a place where students can voice their opinion freely. Freedom of academic expression is important. Calling into question the human rights of trans people is not “free speech”, but is a targeted attack on the trans community. 5/

Free speech does not mean the freedom to speak without accountability. Tonight’s event is dangerous and harmful to our community. It is our priority to report on this and hold those responsible to account. 6/6'

But - what the fuck is this mysterious rhetoric you can't even bring yourself to reference, cover, or describe?! This is whack journalism.

War is peace.
Slavery is freedom.
Ignorance is strength.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-63986755

The screening of a controversial film about transgender rights has been cancelled by the University of Edinburgh following student protests.

The screening of a controversial film about women's rights has been cancelled by the University of Edinburgh following student protests.

Fixed it for ya, BBC.

Yes it is extraordinary. Especially that guy from Vice reaching out to Lucy for support for the 'dogpiling' !

How about just report the fact that the males within the University used aggression and violence to stop women from meeting to watch a film and discuss women's rights!

It's the fact that she believes that this is protecting free speech rather than harming it that is so hilarious.

As some one said upthread this could be a tale out of Iran. Female students attacked for gathering to discuss women's rights. University Paper refuses to report.

This is fucking Edinburgh not Tehran !

I'm getting flashbacks of that photo with Madigan with 'end period poverty' or suchlike scrawled on their hand in felt-tip pen, along with their earnest (woman)face. Tragic and hilarious at the same time.

Good lord.

'Violence against women is a real issue. But the enemy is not “transgender” women because far way more men are violent against women than transgender women. Transgender & gender non-binary people experience violence at a high rate according to the'

Does this Doctor understand the concept of proportions, at all? Percentages, even?

mobile.twitter.com/DrSarahLiu/status/1602753424537583616

FWIW: 'I receive hate and death threats on my twitter - don’t think a “gender-critical” person ever stood up for me and condemned these men’s behavior.'

That's appalling, Doctor, and I condemn anyone sending you death threats. Sincerely and wholeheartedly.

@DrSarahLiu
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Dec 13
Right off the bat, the first person interviewed said she (I assume all in the document do not want to be called “they”, which I respect) doesn’t “believe that sex change can happen.” But it’s already happening! With the help of modern medicine and technology

What kind of Dr believes that human's can change sex?

Beyond that I can't take a word she says seriously.

'Senior Lecturer (Associate Professor) of Gender and Politics in the School of Social and Political Science at the University of Edinburgh.'

So my tax is paying for this fact-free, pathetically poorly argued drivel? I'm depressed.

Good grief. My eldest is due to go off to university the year after next.

With academics like that at a leading university how on earth can you trust that a good education will follow.

You can't. I will not be encouraging my children to attend an institute that has staff arguing at that level. The tweet thread reads like something a teenager has written.

I wonder why someone’s Insta has been blitzed.

Spidey senses indeed.

I'm sure no mother anywhere wants this hideous person in any single sex space with their daughter.

mmm.... abuses elderly ladies, takes glamour shots with a gun, AND declares on video that they are an 'adult human female'.

Ticks sooo many boxes.

Absolutely.

I condemn death and violent threats and actions made by anyone at all serving any purpose, at any time. I am completely equal opportunities and inclusive (actual inclusive) in my rejection of these wholly unacceptable behaviours.

Btw Doctor, male people regardless of gender identity do not do harm in women's spaces merely by the ones who carry out attacks or presenting a very much increased threat to females. Even the nicest, most harmless male in the world still causes harm just by walking into the space, because as they walk in, some females are forced to walk out . The male excludes females from the female space to meet their own needs. They express their choice and happiness at the expense of female people's access to anything at all.

That is harmful. That is unacceptable behaviour. That is the indicator that no one, particularly the person walking in and expressing their power, really believes they are the same as those they displace and exclude.

@Balaya
Here's a link to the film

player.vimeo.com/video/775343150