Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

She also said that this was the predominant issue and worth setting aside a woman’s legal right to abortion for

When did she say this? Do you have a link?

What is this crap about associating with the far right?

It's just crap, is what it is. Made up. Lies. KJK doesn't associate with the far right. But some people from a youtube channel turned up to film her event in Brighton, and some idiots/TRAs decided that was good enough to call KJK a fascist and accuse her of working with fascists.

It's absolute nonsense and we've hashed it out over many, many threads before this and comprehensively shown it to be nonsense.

She hasn't actually worked with the far right. And even if she did, right wing women and girls are also legit women and girls, who are entitled to the same rights as left wing women and girls.

It isn't illegal to be right wing in a country that is being governed by a right wing party.

Frankly at this point how could it be any worse for women? At least she is giving it a go, if she fails then meh, she fails.
What is this "movement" that keeps being mentioned? I'm no part of any movement, if I am wheres my wages?

Again, she doesnt have any shady history, and again even if she did, so what? Shady people cant start political parties? We know that's not true.

If it does go south then she is resourceful and will think of a different means. I have faith in this, she is very very good at thinking outside the box and getting some quarters riled up to show themselves up.

Julie bindel hasn't the charisma and has never said this is the kind of thing she wants to do. And that's ok too.

The left wing prevent a woman speaking out on their platforms. She uses right wing platforms to get the message out... she's now "far right".

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Anti-abortion on the right, TWAW and SWIW on the left. What a fucking choice we have. How about we just use whatever platform will have us? If she'd been on left wing platforms would she get accused of sanctioning "sex work is work" and all the fucking harm that does? No. Cos its only really the left that properly indulge in the purity spiral/guilt by associations insanity.

Brighton? I was referring to her time in America. It is not made up at all.

I don't think winning is relevent to her plan, or even doing well, so I don't see why anyone thinks her not winning matters?

As far as being not in line with the left, so what? There are lots of women who aren't on the left who may well be interested in her message.

People need to disabuse themselves of the idea that all women are politically left. Women of many political stripes are interested in sex based rights.

Receipts then, please.

You can't just go around making shit up.

And why don't you respond to my point about JB working with the far right? Why doesn't that offend you?

As far as being not in line with the left, so what? There are lots of women who aren't on the left who may well be interested in her message.

Indeed. I don't have a problem with the right.

I have a problem with people accusing KJK of being far right. Because it's a lie.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4586847-and-this-is-exactly-why-posie-parker-is-a-liability

How does that tweet equate to a "shady history of working with the far right" please?

It's just an opinion, a statement of her political priorities.

Found this, in which she says she doesn't care if people are pro-life or pro-choice, and it's a settled issue in the UK so not the chief concern. Which is true IMO, although obvs we've learned never to trust things will stay settled:

Https:youtu.be/u8Jk8RbkbIQ

I was responding to someone directly asking for the quote I gave, clearly.

If you’d like to do your own research, there were plenty of threads here when Posie was in the USA that I’m sure will enlighten you. I’m not here to provide information for you, I stated my opinion based on the information I have seen.

I’m not here to provide information for you, I stated my opinion based on the information I have seen.

No, you made a claim. You need to back it up. That's how discussion works @Namochang

Where's your evidence that KJK has a "shady history of working with the far right?"

Either provide evidence or admit it was a lie.

Also please explain why Julie Bindel working with the far right doesn't bother you?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3495045-Posie-Parker-in-the-USA?page=1

Here is one to get you started, but it will involve you doing some research yourself unfortunately.

Just so we’re clear - discussion also ‘doesn’t work’ by accusing someone of lying when it’s clear you actually just hadn’t looked into what they were saying. There is no dispute she’s worked with shady far right organisations, what’s was in dispute amongst GC feminists is whether this matters or not as it’s sometimes needed to ‘achieve the greater good’. That comes down to personal opinion, and to me it does.

I haven’t seen that about Julie Bindel, she spoke out against KJ working with certain organisations at the time. Disappointed to hear if she’s gone that way too.

No, sorry, that's not good enough @Namochang . There's literally zero evidence there of KJK working with the far right.

There is no dispute she’s worked with shady far right organisations

There's absolutely a dispute about that because it's simply not true. If it were true, you'd easily be able to find proof. You are lying.

It was very easy for me to find a link of JB with her mate Milo. They went on a speaking tour together:

Receipts, or admit you're a liar.

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-for-women.html?m=1

how about hard evidence from a woman who was there with her?

Hard evidence of what? That Jean Hatchet doesn't like KJK and doesn't agree with her tactics?

Where's the hard evidence that KJK has a "shady history of working with the far right"?

Heritage Foundation may be right wing, but that doesn't make them "far right".

Unlike Milo, who is very clearly far right. But it's okay for JB to go on a speaking tour with him.

But KJK merely talking to people who are not paid up lefties is "a shady history of working with the far right."

Total nonsense.

And just to be clear, I have zero issue with JB going on speaking tour with Milo, writing for the Telegraph and the Daily Mail and the Spectator, or working with anyone of any political persuasion. I don't see any problem whatsoever with people talking and debating and collaborating on shared goals with people from other parts of the political spectrum (although honestly I'm not sure that I would have gone there with Milo. I think that gave him legitimacy that he doesn't merit. But it's up to JB - I don't think it makes her a fascist.)

I just think it's wrong to lie. You can't come on a thread and make up lies about someone. This isn't twitter. If you can't back up your claims with evidence then you have to retract them. You can't expect other people to find evidence to back up your claims - that's ridiculous.

I’ve given you evidence, you’ve chosen to ignore it. That’s really embarrassing for you.

Good lord. It really is like Groundhog Day.

I don’t think it’s a lie. KJK does have connections to the far right

Keen has been notably involved with several conservative and far-right individuals and groups.

1. She appeared on an 80min podcast with far-right Canadian white nationalist Jean-François Gariépy

www.thepinknews.com/2019/10/15/gender-critical-posie-parker-interview-jean-francois-gariepy-mumsnet/

1. Has repeatedly praised far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

1. Posed with Holocaust denier cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2019/02/25/Capture.png Hans Lysglimt Johansen.

cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2019/02/25/hans1.png

1. A Proud Boy spoke at one of her rallies

twitter.com/ICanSeeForever1/status/1589041409880780800

She is a member of Hands Across the Aisle which is a coalition bringing together various right wing and radical groups on transgender issues. They are chiefly affiliated with the Heritage Foundation and Womens Liberation Front. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Across_the_Aisle_Coalition

Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank but has links to the far right including giving $100k to Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) which was classified in 2016 as a far right anti LGBT+ hate group per the Southern Law Poverty Group.

www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heritage_Foundation

www.splcenter.org/news/2020/04/10/why-alliance-defending-freedom-hate-group

WoLF is a radical feminist group that in turn has been funded by the hate group Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) and held rallies with Concerned Women for America which has far right members as well as authoring reports with religious right pro-life organisation Focus on the Family (now called Family Policy Alliance) familypolicyalliance.com/issues/life/abortion/
KJK is listed as a “special advisor” to WoLF.

Concerned Women for America was founded by Beverly LaHaye, wife of Tim LaHaye, who launched the Council for National Policy (CNP) in 1981. This shadowy conservative organisation’s members included Trump advisors Steve Bannon, Betsy DeVos, and Kellyanne Conway. Trump’s former security advisor Mike Flynn has an undisclosed role with the organisation.

bylinetimes.com/2021/09/30/the-far-right-co-option-of-the-transgender-rights-issue/

Hands Across the Aisle also
did a crowdfunding appeal for the benefit of KJK in 2018 to fund legal costs arising out of several tweets the police cautioned her about. £10k or so was raised.

archive.ph/ZgQA7

archive.ph/m5H3K

When Roe vs. Wade was overturned, KJKs response to this was to post

“I genuinely don't care what anyone else thinks about anything else, we
are in a state of emergency whereby federal law in the USA will cancel women's rights and promote the mutilation of kids bodies. It's coming here too. If that isn't worth setting aside even the right to a legal abortion I don't know what is.”

You haven't given me evidence. You've given me a link to a MN thread where some accusations are made and refuted. You've given me a link to a blogpost which says nothing about KJK working with the far right.

That's not evidence.

I know you don't have evidence. I've been on these threads before and I know that if there was evidence, it would have been produced by now. But it's always worth going through the process so everyone else can see that there's no evidence and that this "far right" claim is a total lie. I think you've made that very clear now, so thanks for that.

You've given me a link to a blogpost which says nothing about KJK working with the far right.
Oh dear, now it’s really embarrassing for you, you didn’t read it did you?