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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 14:57

@Boiledbeetle !! 👋👋👋👋👋👋

Boiledbeetle · 10/12/2022 14:58

@Helleofabore I'm not drinking so I'll bring the soft drinks, and obviously that means that yes I accept I'll be doing taxi service as well.

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 14:58

@LangClegsInSpace i thought we were calling it the Twatsignal now?

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 14:58

@Helleofabore

Ok, your response is insult, insult, insult, and yep insult,

I’ll try again:
What is your plan for unplanned pregnancies if KJK agrees to have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?

airynothing · 10/12/2022 14:59

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 14:55

And they have failed, for all the reasons I outlined earlier.

Are you confident that this will signify the end of their actions?

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 15:00

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 14:58

@Helleofabore

Ok, your response is insult, insult, insult, and yep insult,

I’ll try again:
What is your plan for unplanned pregnancies if KJK agrees to have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?

We learned from you @Onnabugeisha all your scolding and hectoring has paid off. Are you proud of us yet? 😂😂

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 15:00

airynothing · 10/12/2022 14:59

Are you confident that this will signify the end of their actions?

No, I am sure they will continue to make ineffective attempts to limit abortion rights.

nilsmousehammer · 10/12/2022 15:05

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 14:58

@Helleofabore

Ok, your response is insult, insult, insult, and yep insult,

I’ll try again:
What is your plan for unplanned pregnancies if KJK agrees to have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?

When is she going to get that on the statute books?

If she had that sort of power we'd have had single sex spaces preserved for female equality of access years ago.

ABirdcage · 10/12/2022 15:05

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 15:00

No, I am sure they will continue to make ineffective attempts to limit abortion rights.

'Ineffective' for how long though?

Certain high profile women are bringing credibilty to the ADF by speaking at events where they are sponsors/partners, for example Maya Forstater in October.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 15:06

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 14:58

@Helleofabore

Ok, your response is insult, insult, insult, and yep insult,

I’ll try again:
What is your plan for unplanned pregnancies if KJK agrees to have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?

Ok. I need to ask for this to be very very clearly laid out for me. Because I have read the links etc, could you please post exactly ( with links and time stamps, or posters names with timestamps) where you have produced evidence that she seeks to ”have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?”

No fuckwittery with that pic. Lay it all out , snippets from referenced transcripts - everything.

Because I have been listening on and off to her for a while now and I don’t believe that is not a very lazy bad faith interpretation.

I will wait. Because I know it takes a while to pull together.

NancyDrawed · 10/12/2022 15:06

theperfumes · 10/12/2022 12:15

People who call themselves transgender obviously do exist, so it would be ridiculous to deny that.

Here's KJK saying she doesn't believe they exist (as she often does).

twitter.com/LGBwiththeT/status/1482108737296994304?t=8abzJWLaVUvpUb45JGX2_Q&s=19

But that's not what KJK says in that clip:

'I do not discriminate against people who call themselves trans, because quite frankly I don't think transgenderism really genuinely exists'

I don't know if she elaborated on what she means by transgenderism in this clip and I have heard KJK speak on numerous occasions.

Yes, there is a psychological condition of body dysmorphia which has handily been called gender dysphoria for the purposes of this group. But then 'being trans' is not a medical condition apparently, although many people who call themselves trans say they need medical intervention in order to be their true authentic selves and relieve their gender dysphoria / achieve gender euphoria. These people exist, as do those who say they don't need to change a single thing about themselves, they are the opposite / neither sex if they say so.

Some young women try to escape the pressures they are under due to the fact that they are female and have female bodies, by making changes to their bodies. These people exist.

Some men like to display their fetishes in public by 'dressing' and invading women's spaces, or LARPing as their idea of womanhood (it's never cleaning the loo, or the boring household chores, though is it?) These people also exist.

Would all of these groups fall under 'transgenderism'? Because they are four very different groups, with different motivations for what they do. If, as has been said, transgenderism relates to the 'being in the wrong body' narrative, then I agree, that transgenderism doesn't exist.

And while GC seems to translate to anti-trans in some people's heads, I call myself GC, because to me, expecting people to behave or look a certain way on the basis of their sex is wrong. I am critical of gender roles, not of the people who want to break away from them. But it is not possible to change sex (TW are TW and TM are TM) and I will not pretend otherwise.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/12/2022 15:06

This is like watching some kind of break down in real time

KJK sure does take up a lot of space in some people’s heads. It can’t be healthy

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 15:07

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 15:00

No, I am sure they will continue to make ineffective attempts to limit abortion rights.

There was a petition to add abortion rights to the U.K. new Bill of Rights going through Parliament that was rejected. Apparently freedom of speech is a human right, but womens rights are not human rights.

Abortion rights are not as secure as you may think
www.stylist.co.uk/news/abortion-rights-british-bill-of-rights/677380

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 15:09

ADF bring court cases. Our laws are not on their side so they keep losing.

See my post here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4693296-kellie-jays-new-political-party?page=22&reply=122156414

airynothing · 10/12/2022 15:09

I don't know if she elaborated on what she means by transgenderism in this clip and I have heard KJK speak on numerous occasions.

The dictionary definiton of transgenderism has already been posted in this thread "the quality or characteristic of being transgender".

LangClegsInSpace · 10/12/2022 15:10

We don't specifically have abortion in our current human rights framework.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 15:10

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 15:06

Ok. I need to ask for this to be very very clearly laid out for me. Because I have read the links etc, could you please post exactly ( with links and time stamps, or posters names with timestamps) where you have produced evidence that she seeks to ”have abortion rights set aside as she has said she would?”

No fuckwittery with that pic. Lay it all out , snippets from referenced transcripts - everything.

Because I have been listening on and off to her for a while now and I don’t believe that is not a very lazy bad faith interpretation.

I will wait. Because I know it takes a while to pull together.

Full on denial, that’s the route you’re going down.
Well I’m done. It’s all in the thread. Given to you on a silver platter over and over.
Enjoy your time in the cult of KJK.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 15:11

airynothing: The dictionary definiton of transgenderism has already been posted in this thread "the quality or characteristic of being transgender".

Not sure it's really nominative determinism when you get to choose your own user name, but still...

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 15:12

On the 'set aside' issue.

Setting aside a trifle, doesn't mean obliterating all trifles.

Hope that helps.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 15:12

It’s all in the thread.

"Thats all that is available to be found."

airynothing · 10/12/2022 15:13

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 15:11

airynothing: The dictionary definiton of transgenderism has already been posted in this thread "the quality or characteristic of being transgender".

Not sure it's really nominative determinism when you get to choose your own user name, but still...

@Helleofabore

I think you might want to see this.

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 15:14

Happylittlechicken · 10/12/2022 15:00

We learned from you @Onnabugeisha all your scolding and hectoring has paid off. Are you proud of us yet? 😂😂

Yes Happy.

bug insults huh? Calling out bad faith misrepresentations, inconstancies, dishonesty, cognitive distortions, and your own hyperbolic accusations of child abuse, racism and a whole list of other direct accusations, is insulting to you?

Well, sure. If your bravado is so performative, why do you post the way you do? If you read all what I write and all you can come back with is ‘you insulted me’ after the accusations you have directed at me and other posters here, well…. Ok then…

Helleofabore · 10/12/2022 15:15

airynothing · 10/12/2022 15:13

@Helleofabore

I think you might want to see this.

You haven’t read the thread pillock. Have you? Well done . I am applauding.

Really….. well done.

NecessaryScene · 10/12/2022 15:16

Really….. well done.

OMFG. 😂

I love it when people fall into a trap I didn't know I'd set.

Onnabugeisha · 10/12/2022 15:16

AlisonDonut · 10/12/2022 15:12

On the 'set aside' issue.

Setting aside a trifle, doesn't mean obliterating all trifles.

Hope that helps.

No it doesn’t. In legal terms “set aside” means to annul; to make void, cancel, or destroy. To set aside a judgment, decree, award, or any proceedings is to cancel, annul, or revoke them.

HTH

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