Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

I don't believe anyone was born in the wrong body.

KJK regularly faces down these people who believe in 'transgenderism' and I suppose she gets to see the male rage and violence at close range. Perhaps if they didn't behave like violent men she might believe it is an actual thing?

What is 'transgender' anyway?

Is shouting at a baby and calling them little fascists transgenderism?
Or screaming and shouting at women, throwing things at them, ripping their signs down?
Is it going into female toilets with swords to threaten any women who might be afraid of them?
What is it?

I didn't get a PM. Maybe someone should PM me and remind me not to waste my time calling out the lies of the lying liars on these threads.

As funny as that circular definition is, it's not even correct - I've never heard it used in that sense - "the quality or characteristic of being". Has anyone else seen it used like that?

If I use the word, I mean the belief system. Like "atheism" - I'm not talking about "people being atheists", I'm talking about the philosophical viewpoint.

If I wanted to talk about "the quality or characteristic of being", I'd use something like "trans-ness" or "having a trans identity" or just "being trans". Someone can have a trans identity, but they can't have transgenderism.

Words can mean whatever they want them to mean in this brave new world.

Children includes hulking great teenagers until the age of 18…

Do I believe that some people identify as trans, yes of course I do. I also believe in carrots and Wednesdays in much the same way.

Does that mean I believe in gendered souls that can end up in the wrong body, which necessitates a belief in some bungling higher being, plus an afterlife or some form of independent life lived by these souls separate to the body? Well no, that isn't a religious faith I share in myself. But religious faiths go on existing whether or not I personally happen to share them.

Do I believe that someone who identifies as trans in fact becomes something other than their sex based reality? No. I don't. Do I think there is a need for sex based provisions for female people to exist and be gatekept against males of any identity at all for their equality of access and rights? Yes. I do. Do I expect male people to be able to tolerate female people's equality and access needs being provided for alongside their own? Yes, I do.

And way, way too much headspace is being spent on exactly how male people feel about and are affected by being required to extend some reciprocation towards females. I'm here for women's rights, hence the sign at the top of this forum. I don't believe that female lives should revolve at all times around the inner lives of male people, or that it is a necessary evil for the higher good that female people should suffer abuse and harm. And am really not too interested in how saying this may cause a male person to have an existential crisis.

Onnabugeisha · Friday 9 Dec 09:59
"The far right is full of young sexy barbies and middle aged handmaids"

Onnabugeisha · Friday 9 Dec 17:02
"working class women who look like her and are like her - past the need for an abortion"

Onnabugeisha · Sat 10 Dec 09:45
"you’re probably past the age of needing an abortion"

Fascinating! I hadn't realised that sexist, ageist, classist and body-shaming insults were such a defining feature of feminism these days. "Misogyny and Snobbery! - The new Feminism!"

What you are forgetting, in your raging contempt for women of all ages, is that women who are "past the age of needing an abortion" are the very women who are most likely to have needed and to have had at least one abortion, so they have great empathy for younger women in this situation.

You also seem to have forgotten the woke mantra about respecting the "Lived Experience" of women, why might that be?

Onnabugeisha · Sat 10 Dec 09:53
"I know youre a clique because you PM each other and then all show up on the same threads to do a pile on against me."

False accusations are always so very revealing - it's called "projection": accusing others of what you do yourself.

Aww Rufus, I just deleted a long post pointing out where this poster used this exact sleight of hand . When despite me stating what I would ask, and how, a very clearly teenaged male entering a female toilet, it was then twisted to be a statement about a ‘child’.

bug relies purely on emotional manipulation to attempt to convince people that bug is a reasonable poster.

And this was pointed out repeatedly to me. That child still means teenagers.

Bosky, you are quite right.

The only way to combat the stream of contemptuous, deeply prejudiced posts is to start posting the time stamped posts. Much harder on a phone, but maybe, just maybe after months of this, this poster will stop with the appalling emotional manipulation and general denigration and actually engage.

”I hadn't realised that sexist, ageist, classist and body-shaming insults were such a defining feature of feminism these days.”

They seem to have become that. I think the actual gender critical left Facebook group has some doozy examples of this.

@Bosky

What you are forgetting, in your raging contempt for women of all ages, is that women who are "past the age of needing an abortion" are the very women who are most likely to have needed and to have had at least one abortion, so they have great empathy for younger women in this situation.

I think you are forgetting I was referring to the women who are willing to follow KJK’s lead to set aside womens’ right to an abortion. Theres zero empathy in that view! That’s forced birthing. Thats girls and women dying in a childbirth they did not consent to. That’s girls and women dying from botched black market abortions. That’s children being abused/abandoned by mothers who did not want them.

Yes I have contempt for middle aged women like KJK who’s need for an abortion is close to nil being so cavalier with the reproductive rights which deeply affect the lives of the majority of women.

Yet you have the gall to imply I have a “contempt for women of all ages”? That is next level bullshit. I am similar in age to KJK. I am past the need for an abortion, but my daughters may need one. All the generations of women younger than I may need one. Im not going to agree that we can “set aside” as in give up our right to an abortion for even a day.

I am defending our right to choose. I am defending women of all ages by saying no to KJK & followers, the right to an abortion is not up for negotiation. It is not up to be “set aside” in KJK’s quest for political power.

There’s no empathy in what she said for women of child bearing age.

By the way everyone, soz about you all missing the PM’s.

I will do better and send them to everyone on a thread except for bug next time. Maybe I need to get MNHQ to write us a little subroutine that makes it easier. Oh…. Yeah… and that adds any new poster to the threads dynamically.

So, we can go for maximum optimization of comms!!!

Of course, since we all are here, shall we org the group Christmas drinks?

When bug used the term ‘desperation’, I believe that was projection. As was mentioned.

Wow what a tirade against a woman who is staunchly pro-choice.

U OK hun?

@Onnabugeisha so you’ll defend abortion rights for women, but not their rights to single sex spaces and their right to be able to define themselves? Why is this? Why do you believe women should not be able to have single sex spaces, even though making all spaces mixed sex will mwah some women are excluded from those spaces? As a “Real Feminist”,why are you prioritising the feelings of males over the safety privacy and comfort of those women you purport to advocate for?

@Helleofabore oh yes, we need to organise the drinks. I’ll bring snacks….

Will we ever find out what comes after "Once we can"?

I think you are forgetting I was referring to the women who are willing to follow KJK’s lead to set aside womens’ right to an abortion.

Have you noticed a lot of support on here for the view that women would be better off 'setting aside' women's rights to an abortion?

You seem to be making the common error that someone agreeing with KJK on one issue (keeping men out of women's spaces and sports) means that they agree with her on every other issue.

I think her billboards and 'Let women speak' events are great. They reach people that other campaigns don't. I think her idea of standing for parliament in Starmer's constituency is a brilliant idea. I don't have to support everything else she does. I don't even know what her position is on most issues, so I don't know if I would support her position or not. But it doesn't matter, because we agree on that one issue.

Purity spirals really don't get you anywhere.

I hadn’t noticed that….

but I’m sure i saw the whole quote once, i have a feeling (though could obviously be wrong) that it said something along the lines of we can sort abortion rights out later…

This isn’t a pro-choice opinion. It was written in response to Roe v. Wade being overturned, and abortion bans rolling into effect in several U.S. states.

There’s zero outrage and empathy for women. Her entire post is about minimising abortion bans.

She says “I genuinely do not care what anyone thinks about anything else” (as in I don’t care about abortion rights).

“We are in a state of emergency” [regarding my nebulous cause with mention of mutilation of childrens bodies thrown in for emotional manipulation]

“If that isn’t worth setting aside even the right to a legal abortion, I don’t know what is.”

For the umpteenth time, I do BOTH.
Maybe read my posts and stop depending on Helleofabore’s slice and dice Frankenstein versions that are purposely twisted beyond all recognition.

She says she doesn't care what anyone thinks about anything. Not that she doesn't care about abortion rights. Stop making things up.

What comes after 'Once we can ...'?

What is she replying to?

I wrote earlier (think it was this thread?) that abortion rights are not under threat in the UK. Nevertheless, I think we should be moving to something like the NZ model, i.e. fully decriminalised and without time limits, because this will prevent feeble attempts to tinker with the time limits and conditions through private members bills and JR's.

Guess what? I think that can safely and reasonably be set aside until the current gender clusterfuck is dealt with.

”I think you are forgetting I was referring to the women who are willing to follow KJK’s lead to set aside womens’ right to an abortion.”

So feminists are now all about ‘dehumanising’ women who don’t agree with them?

Onnabugeisha · Friday 9 Dec 09:59
"The far right is full of young sexy barbies and middle aged handmaids"

I did check this and fuck!! It was for real. There is no context needed because that statement stands all by it self.

And the other ones from Bosky’s post were similarly not needing any more context. They are stark reminders of how this poster views people they don’t agree with.

Hence it is so easy for them to make hyperbolic accusations while in their mind they are morally superior.

”Helleofabore’s slice and dice Frankenstein versions that are purposely twisted beyond all recognition.”

Aww bug … projection agan?

Straight after repeatedly posting a cut off screen grab??

Loving the bravado!

@OldCrone
You seem to be making the common error that someone agreeing with KJK on one issue (keeping men out of women's spaces and sports) means that they agree with her on every other issue.

Perhaps, but then why are several posters so invested in attacking me? Why not say, umm yes KJK isn’t solid on abortion rights, that’s a concern but I support her anyway? They’re not saying that.

They’re in full on denial…still calling her “pro-choice”. It’s not pro-choice to say abortion rights are disposable even if you pinky promise that it would only be temporary and they could be won back (only a mug would believe that).

It was written in response to Roe v. Wade being overturned, and abortion bans rolling into effect in several U.S. states.

Hang on, I assumed it was prior to that, otherwise your outrage didn't make any sense. You kept talking about "sacrificing" and "giving up", but you're now saying it was after it it had already happened? In which case that was all bollocks.