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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 22:56

"Yawn. I see the obsessed devotees are still busy praising KJK".

Hmmm - a bit of a reversal methinks Onnabugeisha? I haven't done a post count but suspect that you've been the most prolific obsessed poster on this thread with your obsession with KJK?

Still think a good chat to someone about this might be helpful? Or maybe a cup of tea and a lie down?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 22:58

Goodness Helleofabore - seeing it laid out like that is very revealing.

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 22:58

a deal ... campaign promise ... accept ... take away

Okay, so the "d" key isn't broken, but still something is preventing her actual words ("set aside") being used. Weird.

toomanytrees · 09/12/2022 23:07

Datun · 09/12/2022 19:47

It's her hair! I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This platinum blonde, varnished, lipsticked woman drives these people mad

These posters aren't feminists. They're not WPUK feminists, either. They are transactivists.

Obsessed with a woman they are both jealous of, and hate for her success.

This may also explain the animosity of some feminists to KJK. She has a husband, four children and her appearance is loud and proud "gender conforming".

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:09

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:27

I do believe transgender people exist. And I do think that after full gender transition surgery that TW should be able to use the womens toilets. I don’t agree with penises in womens spaces. This isn’t a black and white issue.

I am calling bullshit on your supposed support of single sex spaces.

Your posts on this thread linked below do not indicate support for single sex spaces at all.

In fact you have said:

”If you want to challenge someone you think is a transwoman or transman who is where or doing what you think they should not be that’s your choice to do so”

and

I don’t care about adults squaring up to other adults in toilets, that’s your business.

Hardly supporting single sex spaces. At all. Rather, this shows a distinct lack of support to any reasonable person reading it.

This is taken from this thread. One you started bug.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4691390-girl-got-a-new-haircut-father-shocked-by-the-things-strangers-now-say-to-her

I feel you are being dishonest here. Why?

Do you honestly think what you wrote on that thread any way indicated any support for female single sex spaces or indeed, any respect for women who want them?

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:14

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:09

I am calling bullshit on your supposed support of single sex spaces.

Your posts on this thread linked below do not indicate support for single sex spaces at all.

In fact you have said:

”If you want to challenge someone you think is a transwoman or transman who is where or doing what you think they should not be that’s your choice to do so”

and

I don’t care about adults squaring up to other adults in toilets, that’s your business.

Hardly supporting single sex spaces. At all. Rather, this shows a distinct lack of support to any reasonable person reading it.

This is taken from this thread. One you started bug.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4691390-girl-got-a-new-haircut-father-shocked-by-the-things-strangers-now-say-to-her

I feel you are being dishonest here. Why?

Do you honestly think what you wrote on that thread any way indicated any support for female single sex spaces or indeed, any respect for women who want them?

That thread was about leaving children out of this. And that’s the best quotes toy can find? Me making it clear I am not talking about challenging ADULTS after being accused by your lot of being a TRA.

You made it very clear on that thread that you’re willing to harass any child over the age of 8 in the toilets.

And now you’re saying my asking everyone to please leave children out of this means I don’t support single sex spaces? You’re having a laugh.

You honestly think that CHILDREN age 8 and up are fair game in this adult struggle, I think that is disgusting.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:15

@MrsOvertonsWindow
@beastlyslumber has me beat for # posts. Even after these latest ones…cheers love

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 23:17

@Helleofabore I doff my cap to you. This poster seemed to be doing something similar the other day about children being asked if they were in the correct toilet. They dial down the language to minimise violence against women but dial it up in the other case. So a simple question becomes an aggressive interrogation by gc women patrolling ladies loos. Insinuations become incontrovertible facts.

Which reminds me, if anyone can cover my shift in the women's bogs at Knutsford services on Sunday?

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 23:19

Gosh, what a cross post. Take that however you want.Smile

Datun · 09/12/2022 23:24

Other than that, what has KJK actually accomplished other than making cash money through crowdfunders and selling merch?

It just kills you, doesn't it? Women marking money and selling stuff. How dare they!

I'd go and buy some calamine, if I were you. That resentment has to be burning something awful.

Datun · 09/12/2022 23:28

Which reminds me, if anyone can cover my shift in the women's bogs at Knutsford services on Sunday?

I would, Icake, but I've pulled the nightshift at Newport Pagnell. Soz.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:29

@IcakethereforeIam

Funny how you are dialling down and minimising the harm done to an innocent 12yo girl:
Jenny was met with an adult’s gasp on her way out of the stall and asked why she was in the women’s bathroom. Jenny responded that she is a girl.
This interaction, like many others over the past several months (at a school field trip, in the mall, in restaurants), rattled Jenny. It was the latest in a series of proverbial paper cuts that, taken together, cut deep.

But, then many of you were very clear that you think children don’t matter. According to one poster, girls can handle public harassment by stranger adults.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 23:31

Rich from someone minimising rape and sexual assault.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:33

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 23:31

Rich from someone minimising rape and sexual assault.

I have done no such thing. I have only called out conflating sexual assault, common assault and voyeurism with DEATH. You can only think I have minimised sexual assault if you think a woman’s purity is more important than her life.

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:33

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:14

That thread was about leaving children out of this. And that’s the best quotes toy can find? Me making it clear I am not talking about challenging ADULTS after being accused by your lot of being a TRA.

You made it very clear on that thread that you’re willing to harass any child over the age of 8 in the toilets.

And now you’re saying my asking everyone to please leave children out of this means I don’t support single sex spaces? You’re having a laugh.

You honestly think that CHILDREN age 8 and up are fair game in this adult struggle, I think that is disgusting.

I think any person reading that thread can see by the language that you use that you are no advocate of single sex spaces.

Not only that, you seem to have little experience with the current teenaged cohort OR the fact that it seems standard that male children over the age of around 8 are either excluded directly by signage in some single sex spaces OR by known social expectations.

You also used dishonest and emotionally manipulative tactics that referred to a woman asking a polite question as ‘confronting’, ‘attacking’, ‘harassing’ and ‘abusing’ a child.

While trying to pretend that mothers with teenagers and recent teens themselves would not be able to correctly sex a teen with a high degree of accuracy.

You also seemed to ignore the very reasons that teenage males ARE subject to safeguarding processes.

Including examples like the horrific rapes in Loudon County and The Dolatowalski case.

Sorry, you can try to laugh it off and twist it however you wish. It is not that long a thread and people can read it themselves to gauge the honesty of your representations about your beliefs here and your posts recently.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/12/2022 23:35

Keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:35

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:29

@IcakethereforeIam

Funny how you are dialling down and minimising the harm done to an innocent 12yo girl:
Jenny was met with an adult’s gasp on her way out of the stall and asked why she was in the women’s bathroom. Jenny responded that she is a girl.
This interaction, like many others over the past several months (at a school field trip, in the mall, in restaurants), rattled Jenny. It was the latest in a series of proverbial paper cuts that, taken together, cut deep.

But, then many of you were very clear that you think children don’t matter. According to one poster, girls can handle public harassment by stranger adults.

Which poster was that? And what do YOU consider ‘harassment’ in that instance.

Please be very specific, because you have shown yourself to be very willing to use your own definitions for words .

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:47

Anyway, I’ll leave you to dig your holes deeper as you always do on these threads

Just take note, if you follow a woman who has said

  • she is not a feminist
  • she’d stand by the Devil himself to get what she wants
  • she collaborates with racist, homophobic, pro-life MRAs of the alt-right and religious right.
  • she has said more than once abortion rights are disposable/less important and she’d give them up

More fool you if you follow her and think you’re a feminist and you are fighting for womens rights. You’re fighting for the womens rights these MRAs she works with will let you keep. The watered down version from the 1950s. The ones that keep you or your daughters barefoot and pregnant but secure knowing that your vagina gets you exclusive use of the label of “woman.” And since she so easily gave up abortion rights with a “meh” worth it to lose them, what other rights is she willing to sacrifice supposedly for our own good?

No deal I say. I don’t care if it’s quicker or easier to sacrifice rights to MRAs to get support to keep another right. Im not letting go of any of our womens rights. The price of their support is too high a price to pay.

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:50

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:14

That thread was about leaving children out of this. And that’s the best quotes toy can find? Me making it clear I am not talking about challenging ADULTS after being accused by your lot of being a TRA.

You made it very clear on that thread that you’re willing to harass any child over the age of 8 in the toilets.

And now you’re saying my asking everyone to please leave children out of this means I don’t support single sex spaces? You’re having a laugh.

You honestly think that CHILDREN age 8 and up are fair game in this adult struggle, I think that is disgusting.

I will repeat it for anyone who has been temporarily distracted by this attempt at redirection.

No bug, I picked out two statements that were about adults. If you were supportive of female single sex spaces, those statements would give a sound indication about the protection of them.

Instead, those statements show indifference towards adult males, and the rest of the thread speaks for itself, you also don’t care about girls needs for single sex spaces either.

You either don’t care about safeguarding or simply don’t understand it.

And yes, you used cognitive distortions such as catastrophising women politely enquiring about whether someone was in the wrong toilets and twisted it to ‘confronting’, ‘attack’, ‘harassing’ and ‘abuse’.

These are extreme activist tactics. There is nothing reasoned or balanced about your posts on either that thread about the short hair cuts or the Oakland protests.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:51

@Helleofabore
You’re quite good at that mirror propaganda technique.
You think you can bluster your way through anything. You can’t.
I have the measure of you.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:52

women politely enquiring about whether someone was in the wrong toilets
Minimising the harm done to a girl. Good on you!

Datun · 09/12/2022 23:52

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:33

I have done no such thing. I have only called out conflating sexual assault, common assault and voyeurism with DEATH. You can only think I have minimised sexual assault if you think a woman’s purity is more important than her life.

Rich from someone who equates questions with abuse.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 23:54

...The ones that keep you or your daughters barefoot and pregnant but secure knowing that your vagina gets you exclusive use of the label of “woman.”...

oh dear...😂😂

Datun · 09/12/2022 23:58

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 23:54

...The ones that keep you or your daughters barefoot and pregnant but secure knowing that your vagina gets you exclusive use of the label of “woman.”...

oh dear...😂😂

I know. The neon lighting is as blinding as the klaxon is deafening.

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 23:59

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 23:51

@Helleofabore
You’re quite good at that mirror propaganda technique.
You think you can bluster your way through anything. You can’t.
I have the measure of you.

That is quite funny actually.

Because you say that, yet you never seem to come back with any evidence to refute what I post.

In fact, even now on the thread about the Oakland protest is a local woman telling us that you have no idea what you are talking about and small scale silent protest are frequent and are rarely attacked as that one was.

Whatever ‘measure’ you have is not of me.

I seek truthfulness and seek to find facts in my posts. However, when I see manipulative tactics such as what you have used, and have a history of using, I do post about it. Maybe if you posted with honesty and without the intent to shame women you don’t agree with, you would get engagement.

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