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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 2022-12-07T13:34:35+00:00

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections. https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA https://www.theotherparty.co.uk

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:35

Right wing women are women, though, aren't they? Women's rights are for all women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:37

she gets a lot of space in your head

Rent-free

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:29

She guessed the age of some girls as 7 (which is an assumption) and said For Fucks Sake, Disgusting, Sexist, and told the school to Sort it Out.

And? I'm sure she can tell roughly how old children are, she has several of her own.

So do I, but I honestly would not be able to tell the exact age of a child…nor would I assume that a group of 15 children I encountered would all be the exact same age? I’d be able to tell an age range like 7-10 or pre-teen/early teen.

Too, in many Muslim groups, the hijab comes on with the onset of menarche as a sign of womanhood. With 8yr olds now getting their periods, it’s not unusual to have older primary age girls (Yrs 5 & 6) wearing the hijab.

KJK is conflating rite of passage type religious practices with sexual availability.

xalo · 09/12/2022 11:39

Just CANNOT WAIT for this.
Ready to donate and mobilise!

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 11:39

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 11:41

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:39

So do I, but I honestly would not be able to tell the exact age of a child…nor would I assume that a group of 15 children I encountered would all be the exact same age? I’d be able to tell an age range like 7-10 or pre-teen/early teen.

Too, in many Muslim groups, the hijab comes on with the onset of menarche as a sign of womanhood. With 8yr olds now getting their periods, it’s not unusual to have older primary age girls (Yrs 5 & 6) wearing the hijab.

KJK is conflating rite of passage type religious practices with sexual availability.

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Oh man

you think there’s no link between the behaviour changes cultures expect from girls when they start their periods and sexual availability? That’s……an interesting analysis

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 11:42

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:24

It’s been posted FOUR TIMES on this thread in link and screenshot forms.

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You obviously don't mean this one, because this doesn't mention toilets. It's a long thread, can you help me to find it? Did you post it or someone else?

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 11:43

Or do you think mutilating children's bodies is something to do with toilets, @Onnabugeisha?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:44

The answer, of course, is that neither of you believe it will come to that, or even that what you're doing with regard to one thing has any significant impact on the other issue.

It's a priority question, not an actual real-life "trolley problem" with inevitable negative consequences.

Exactly. It's like a Sophie's Choice type question. AFAIK KJ is pro choice. But abortion isn't the sole issue for women and girls. And if KJ doesn't think it's the most important one, that's up to her. She's not campaigning to ban it.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:48

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But somehow your view - "the right to a legal abortion is worth cancelling women's rights and the mutilation of kids' bodies" - is okay?

Thats not my view. I have no idea why you’d think womens rights is a zero sum game where we have to sacrifice rights we already have in order to gain more rights. That’s pretty fucked up to be honest.

Do you honestly believe that? So what other rights do you think we have to give up to get additional rights? Would you rather we give up our right to choose who to marry? Our right to earn money & keep it? Our right to vote?

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 11:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:29

She guessed the age of some girls as 7 (which is an assumption) and said For Fucks Sake, Disgusting, Sexist, and told the school to Sort it Out.

And? I'm sure she can tell roughly how old children are, she has several of her own.

Apparently, some posters cannot believe that feminists, especially mothers, cannot tell the sex of older children and teens with high accuracy either.

I think it may be projection.

But it is not a convincing tactic.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:50

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 11:43

Or do you think mutilating children's bodies is something to do with toilets, @Onnabugeisha?

It’s part and parcel of “womens rights” she is referring to single sex spaces. You must not know much about KJKs platform if you think she is only against transgender people transitioning.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 11:51

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:48

But somehow your view - "the right to a legal abortion is worth cancelling women's rights and the mutilation of kids' bodies" - is okay?

Thats not my view. I have no idea why you’d think womens rights is a zero sum game where we have to sacrifice rights we already have in order to gain more rights. That’s pretty fucked up to be honest.

Do you honestly believe that? So what other rights do you think we have to give up to get additional rights? Would you rather we give up our right to choose who to marry? Our right to earn money & keep it? Our right to vote?

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Heavens to murgatroyd

no one believes this

and that’s why the KJK wants to ban abortion (and eat babies and probably shit in your apple pie) argument is nonsense

DameMaud · 09/12/2022 11:51

Namochang · 09/12/2022 10:27

I have spoken to left wing feminists like myself many times on the issue, and the overwhelming response is they see the concern but they are concerned about being on the wrong side of history.
In politics, the easiest way to avoid a question you don’t want to answer is to discredit the opposition instead. KJ will be discredited easily, ‘so you care about women, but not about their right to abortion’ ‘oh but not about black women, becuase you worked with white supremacists?’ etc. This will leave the question in many women’s minds who were on the fence, why are the wrong people on this side?
She personally is nothing to me, doesn’t get me worked up. I just don’t think this is going to end well in getting women to peak.
I think some people here have spent too long in the rad fem echo chambers with people already peaked, that they’ve forgotten it’s not themselves they need to convince.

I'm not a rad fem, I'm quite new to all this, I've not been in a bubble/echo chamber as it is this single issue has made me read all around it, and only just start to look into and into MN FWR and podcasts etc to learn about feminism, or more broadly, women's rights.

I've not even been hugely political before all of this and I've started exploring my political views more deeply now too. I have however, always been 'for the underdog' and had a growing dis-ease with feeling that maybe the people I just assumed cared about the disadvantaged/working class maybe didn't really.

All of this has awakened a womens rights and class consciousness in me that is genuinely seeking to be knowledgeable about it.

Like some other PPs have said, when I first came across KJK, early into this new exploration, I was both put off but also intrigued and fascinated. And, I was set off on a journey.

The more I've exposed myself widely to the diversity of thought and activism within feminism (with the openess of a 'beginner's mind) voraciously listening to and reading Bindel, Stock, Joyce, JCJ, and all of the others, the more I realise that it doesn't matter really.
It all just affirms my growing instinct that:

SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

KJK's simple forthrightness piqued (and eventually peaked) this ordinary, left leaning, initially confused as had always been underdog' supporting, older-yet still learning woman.

I think I very much represent a large number of women in the UK that KJK will reach and send them off in the same journey as I have been on.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:51

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 11:49

Apparently, some posters cannot believe that feminists, especially mothers, cannot tell the sex of older children and teens with high accuracy either.

I think it may be projection.

But it is not a convincing tactic.

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Nor is your tactic of “the women I agree with are infallible and omniscient” very convincing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:51

Thats not my view. I have no idea why you’d think womens rights is a zero sum game where we have to sacrifice rights we already have in order to gain more rights. That’s pretty fucked up to be honest.

What a bizarre interpretation. You've completely misunderstood the point Necessary was making.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:52

But then I remember my resolution to scroll by certain posters...

DameMaud · 09/12/2022 11:53

DameMaud · 09/12/2022 11:51

I'm not a rad fem, I'm quite new to all this, I've not been in a bubble/echo chamber as it is this single issue has made me read all around it, and only just start to look into and into MN FWR and podcasts etc to learn about feminism, or more broadly, women's rights.

I've not even been hugely political before all of this and I've started exploring my political views more deeply now too. I have however, always been 'for the underdog' and had a growing dis-ease with feeling that maybe the people I just assumed cared about the disadvantaged/working class maybe didn't really.

All of this has awakened a womens rights and class consciousness in me that is genuinely seeking to be knowledgeable about it.

Like some other PPs have said, when I first came across KJK, early into this new exploration, I was both put off but also intrigued and fascinated. And, I was set off on a journey.

The more I've exposed myself widely to the diversity of thought and activism within feminism (with the openess of a 'beginner's mind) voraciously listening to and reading Bindel, Stock, Joyce, JCJ, and all of the others, the more I realise that it doesn't matter really.
It all just affirms my growing instinct that:

SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE AND I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT.

KJK's simple forthrightness piqued (and eventually peaked) this ordinary, left leaning, initially confused as had always been underdog' supporting, older-yet still learning woman.

I think I very much represent a large number of women in the UK that KJK will reach and send them off in the same journey as I have been on.

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Also, if anyone can respond cogently and impressively to those guilt by association style questions, it's KJK from what I've seen if her so far

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 11:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:52

But then I remember my resolution to scroll by certain posters...

Yeah, I started today with such good intentions

I blame the shady far right for leading me astray

that and this Labour Sex Fudge. I think it might be past its sell by date

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:54

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 11:51

Heavens to murgatroyd

no one believes this

and that’s why the KJK wants to ban abortion (and eat babies and probably shit in your apple pie) argument is nonsense

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That’s not the argument. The argument is that KJK has stated she is willing to sacrifice our right to a legal abortion in the pursuit of her objectives. And she has. I don’t want someone like her in Parliament willing to give up my daughters right to an abortion like some sacrificial lamb to her cause.

Its dangerous to think and convince followers that we women can only gain further rights or protect some of our rights, by sacrificing hard won rights like the right to an abortion. I reject that concept entirely.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 11:58

that and this Labour Sex Fudge. I think it might be past its sell by date

Definitely

NecessaryScene · 09/12/2022 11:58

The argument is that KJK has stated she is willing to sacrifice our right to a legal abortion in the pursuit of her objectives. And she has.

No she hasn't, and no she hasn't.

As someone pointed out above - it's not a zero-sum game. It's not going to come to that, and I'm sure she doesn't accept that premise either.

Note that you've changed "set aside" to "sacrifice". That's a very big shift. If you felt confident in your position you wouldn't need to make changes to her words like that.

Helleofabore · 09/12/2022 12:00

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 11:51

Nor is your tactic of “the women I agree with are infallible and omniscient” very convincing.

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Hilarious. Please find any post of mine that appoints anyone infalliable or omniscient.

Your accusations really are getting more and more absurd. They are spiraling in.

Well done.

Another live demonstration of extremist tactics.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 12:04

I can’t stay away from these threads because I’m endlessly fascinated by the reaction KJK elicits from the ideologically pure

i genuinely think a lot of it is down to her having spent time as a SAHM