Nhs badge issue pronouns

[goldfishthecracker]

Started a new job today and got my ID badge. I had to put my preferred pronouns on the form for my badge. It wasn't an option for me not to pick it.

I gave it back without picking one and she handed it back to me saying she wouldn't give me a badge without me choosing them and I need my badge to work. She accused me of being transphobic when I said I didn't want to put them on display and i queried why I had to do it.

Now I have an official badge that I have to wear on display for patients and other health care professionals to see who I am with my pronouns very clearly displayed.

I'd share a photo but it has all my ID on it!

Can I raise this as an issue with my union? I don't want my pronouns to be on display, i see no need for it at all. Apparently they're moving towards all staff needing to display their pronouns on their badge. All previous staff are being asked to hand in their old badges and get a new one with their pronouns on it

Is it me?

@Babdoc 😂 our badges with first names, the yellow ‘hello, my name is…’ which I believe came from a patient who was being treated for cancer and was also a doctor. Some of our doctors refuse to wear a badge with a first name on, unfortunately in obstetrics surnames don’t roll very well 😬 very much first name terms around the whole team

@rippleraspberry I didn’t say they ‘don’t have a grip on reality’. You said that!

I said - I believe in reality.

Seeing as you now have the card I'd cover the pronouns up with a trimmed blank sticker. But I'd also email HR, etc saying that your pronouns are undecided you feel that you've been forcibly "outed" by this policy.

And just to be awkward I might visit the ID card every place demanding a new badge with different pronouns. I believe there is an extensive list so you can probably keep this going for a year.

Id pick xyr for my next one - there's loads more than he/him and she/her . So just pick some bullshit crap that nobody understands and have it on your badge

Yes Dr Kate Granger who when she was being diagnosed & treated for cancer found that some hospital staff just turned up & started poking and prodding about without even saying who they were. She started a campaign for hospital staff to introduce themselves. I don’t believe she specified first names - I think it was fine to say hello my name is dr eyeballs. Sorry for slight derail but wanted to acknowledge her work. Sadly she died from cancer a few years ago

Hello my name is

@rippleraspberry Unfortunately the people on this thread believe they are victims of a system supporting people's choice to alter their gender identity.

While I do not believe it should be mandatory either and calling someone transphobic for not wishing to display their pronouns is extreme and defeats the purpose of inclusivity, you cannot claim you are being bullied and then direct vitriol towards trans/non-conforming people.

Moreover I would be concerned if I was being cared for by someone who refers to the trans community in these ways. They are constantly at risk of hate crime from people with such views and it is your job as a person working with the vulnerable to respect them whether you personally agree or not.

I’ve not RTFT but as a one-time ‘hospital mum’ who had to live at the hospital/Ronald McDonald House for an extended period I would’ve found this hostile.

I believe sex is immutable and I also believe that everyone has a right to their own beliefs. Every one of the hospital staff signalling their belief in Genderism is alienating for those who don’t believe. Fine if the individual wants to do it (same as other religious symbols, as long as it’s safe/hygienic in the work place) but EVERYONE?

Patients and parents of patients need to be
able to trust HCPs. If a person believes a man can be a woman, how can I trust them to drip noxious chemo chemicals into my child (especially as there are different leukaemia protocols for boys and girls)? If my vet believed a dog could be a cat I would find a new vet.

I’d recommend contacting the Free Speech Union (this badge is compelled speech) and carefully trying to find others in your workplace with a belief in material reality.

"The rest of us who believe in reality" is just a round-about way of saying trans people do not have a grip on reality. Please stop being deliberately obtuse.

If you fancied this route there are plenty to pick from.

maybe choose 7 and be genderfluid?

neopronouns-list.tumblr.com/neopronouns-list

Here’s just the ‘F’s:

F
Fae/Faer/Faer/Faers/Faeself
Fa/Fanta/Fantas/Fantas/Fantaself
Fa/Faun/Faun/Fauns/Faunself
Fai/Fairy/Fair/Fairys/Fairyself
Fai/Fairy/Fairy/fairies/Fairyself
Fang/Fang/Fangs/Fangs/Fangself
Faun/Faun/Fauna/Fauna/Faunaself
Fawn/Fawn/Fawns/Fawns/Fawnself
Fea/Feath/Feather/Feathers/Featherself
Fear/Fear/Fears/Fears/Fearself
Feather/Feather/Feathers/Feathers/Featherself
Fe/Fer/Fern/Ferns/Fernself
Fel/Feli/Feline/Felines/Felineself
Fel/Ine/Feline/Felines/Felineself
Feline/Feline/Felines/Felines/Felineself
Fern/Fern/Ferns/Ferns/Fernself
Fic/Ficti/Fiction/Fictions/Fictionself
Fic/Tion/Fics/Tions/Fictionself
Fic/Tion/Fiction/Fictions/Fictionself
Fiction/Fiction/Fictions/Fictions/Fictionself
Fidget/Fidget/Fidgets/Fidgets/Fidgetself
Fi/Fidg/Fidgets/Fidgets/Fidgetself
Fi/Fir/Fire/Fires/Fireself
Fi/Fy/Fyr/Fyrs/Fyself
Fire/Fire/Fires/Fires/Fireself
Fish/Fish/Fishes/Fishes/Fishself
Fish/Fish/Fishs/Fishs/Fishself
Fizz/Fizz/Fizzes/Fizzes/Fizzself
Fla/Flam/Flame/Flames/Flameself
Fla/Flar/Flare/Flares/Flareself
Flame/Flame/Flames/Flames/Flameself
Flare/Flare/Flares/Flares/Flareself
Fli/Fligh/Flight/Flights/Flightself
Flora/Flora/Floras/Floras/Floraself
Flora/Flora/Floras/Flors/Floraself
Flor/Flora/Floras/Flors/Floraself
Flo/Flow/Flower/Flowers/Flowerself
Flower/Flower/Flowers/Flowers/Flowerself
Fluff/Fluff/Fluffs/Fluffs/Fluffself
Flutter/Flutter/Flutters/Flutters/Flutterself
Fly/Fly/Flies/Flies/Flyself
Fly/Fly/Flys/Flys/Flyself
Fo/Fond/Fonds/Fonds/Fondself
Fo/Foo/Food/Foods/Foodself
Fond/Fond/Fonds/Fonds/Fondself
Food/Food/Foods/Foods/Foodself
Forest/Forest/Forests/Forests/Forestself
For/Forest/Forests/Forests/Forestself
Fox/Fox/Foxes/Foxes/Foxself
Fox/Fox/Foxs/Foxs/Foxself
Fry/Fry/Fries/Fries/Fryself
Fry/Fry/Frys/Frys/Fryself
Fu/Fur/Furs/Furs/Furself
Fur/Fur/Furs/Furs/Furself

perhaps ‘Fish/Fish/Fishs/Fishs/Fishself’? OP?

So because somebody supports the trans community, that renders them incapable of medical care?

Trans people are not ignorant - they understand that any medical treatment or dosage based on sex is given according to their biological sex at birth.

Fe/Fi/Fo/Fum?

Our chief nurse has pronouns on her badge 🙄. I refused.

"So because somebody supports the trans community, that renders them incapable of medical care? "

I support NUFC (although I hate their owners), I'm apparently a Capricorn. I donate to the RNLI. None of this remotely relevant to healthcare.

My ID badge is covered in flu vaccination stickers and still works.

You are conflating individual trans people with trans ideology (the belief that Transwomen ARE Women). You can support the former without the latter and the badges signal the latter

if a HCP thinks it’s fine to have an M marker on an F person’s medical records, then their belief is overriding material reality.

A transman suffered a stillbirth because of this.

a Transgirl (who is male) needs the boy’s leukaemia protocol (it’s a whole year longer than the girls).

This is a belief that endangers gendertransitioned people as much as it endangers non-gendertransitioned people.

Trans people are not ignorant - they understand that any medical treatment or dosage based on sex is given according to their biological sex at birth.

I was reading yesterday of reports that some trans teens thought the side effects of cross sex hormones wouldn't apply to them because they were really the sex with which they identified.

OP I'm so sorry, this is such bullshit. Can you ask Sex Matters to get involved?

I don't need a badge to tell people I'm a woman. I just AM a woman. I'm not a subset of my own sex or a feeling or a wobbly wobbly abstract gender fluid lunatic that alternates between a man and a woman and is often something in between ( boy do I pity those people).

Stickers. Possibly some nice sparkly ones if I thought I could get away with it. I wouldn't put up with that shit.

I dont agree with being forced to do this. What happens if you’re in the process of wanting to change your pronoun? Do you have to make a big deal and get a new badge? What if you’re not ready?

And of course, for those that feel uncomfortable with the whole thing it would be forcing an ideology.

Badges are available at my trust but there is absolutely not a forced condition. This is not an NHS wide decision so you should probably raise your discomfort with your HR team.

Some FtM teens believe their mastectomy will reverse if they start taking estrogen (because males can use estrogen to induce the appearance of breasts when transitioning in the opposite direction)!

The misinformation out there is pretty bonkers.

Plus the NHS has some ye olde policy where they actually seal up the old health records and issue a completely new NHS number. They are supposed to redact the old records of anything indicating sex and copy them over. It’s all manual. Loads of trans people are finding their covid vaccination record is just vanishing from the covid passport app.

It’s wild how trans people are being endangered (or even just inconvenienced) by policies that were ostensibly invented for their benefit.
No gender questioning HCP would want their pronouns displayed on a badge when they are wrestling with Gender Dysphoria.

Plus, the letters are tiny and loads of patients will pick pronouns instinctively based on perceived sex, regardless of what the little badge says, which will probably just make a trans person feel WORSE.

Imagining telling dementia patients that you are non binary multiple times a day!

Lots of people just want to signal their right-on, be-kind beliefs, they don’t seem to take the time to think anything all the way through, ie, what these signals can do and how be-kind policies have a knock-on effect that can harm the people they claim to be helping.

I’d have put ‘she/him/zi/they/xz/it’ to screw them over. They wouldn’t be able to say you couldn’t do that as it’s your gender ID.

what a pile of shite!

If a health care professional believes it is possible to change sex, then I don't want the hcp anywhere near me.

Don’t wish to derail the thread, but I still believe Christian names are completely inappropriate for the doctor patient relationship.
You are a) asking a patient to put their life in your hands and
b) often performing intimate and embarrassing procedures on them. They need the professional distance.

I caught one of my trainees in the anaesthetic room introducing herself to an elderly patient with “Hi, I’m Katie, I’m one of the team, I’ll be putting you to sleep”
I took her aside later, and asked her to imagine she was a frightened old lady on board a jet for her first flight.
Which announcement from the pilot would be more likely to make her feel she was in safe professional hands:
1)”This is Captain Smith, your pilot speaking. Welcome aboard flight 305 to London.”
Or 2) “Hi! I’m Fred, one of the team, and I’m gonna fly you to London!” ?

To her credit, the trainee immediately grasped the point. We should all be polite and friendly, and put patients at ease, but we need to establish the professional nature of the relationship first, and give the patient confidence in our credentials.

I was reading yesterday of reports that some trans teens thought the side effects of cross sex hormones wouldn't apply to them because they were really the sex with which they identified.

Yes, plenty of people buy into this so extensively that they genuinely do believe that they can actually change sex.

Once we routinely ignore or dismiss biology as a reality, we will see transwomen who are truly baffled as to why they can't get pregnant and will seek medical assistance to try to discover what the 'issue' is. If you are constantly 'affirmed' that TWAW - rather than the accurate TWATW/TWAM - some vulnerable people really won't understand that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

You could say you haven’t decided what gender you are yet. If they pressure you for an answer you can say you take it very seriously and need to give it a lot of thought. So in the meantime best leave it blank and you’ll let them know your decision in due course.