Girl Got A New Haircut. Father Shocked By The Things Strangers Now Say To Her.

[Onnabugeisha]

From US HuffPost

My Daughter Got A New Haircut. I'm Shocked By The Things Strangers Now Say To Her.

"Our 12-year-old daughter would like to pee without being harassed. Lately, she can’t seem to escape it."

Article: www.huffpost.com/entry/daughter-short-haircut-harassment_n_6384dd5ae4b06ef4a546c8a5?utm_campaign=share_email&ncid=other_email_o63gt2jcad4

@SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth
You need to learn the difference between an opinion piece and research, as I posted an excerpt from a research article. 🙄

We don't know it, because its not there, and its likely not true. You think you know it, as it fits your agenda

Nothing to see here. Hmm.

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So is this blonde woman telling the TW to stay out of womens’ spaces and not to use womens’ toilets a GC feminist or TRA feminist?

Onnabugeisha

Let's make this simple. Tell me, say, the top three ways a man knows he's a woman. Or just give me three examples of not the top three. Or three that you might imagine, if you have no personal experience. Using every word in the English language at your disposal. Just three.

Yes dear. That's an online publication and it's generic article hanger. You continue to show your own ignorance!

READ the article. It is an opinion piece, a study of other publications. Not research, it says so many times! It does no research, it reads the research of others and forms an opinion. It makes no new findings, posits no new understandings. Again, it is self described as a rehash of other studies. It is discussing the need to a change in design of public toilets. It proves nothing! and, as it says very clearly, it's focus is on how "access to safe and comfortable toilets plays a fundamental role in making trans lives possible."

And is shite science however you look at it. "We have shown..." is an undergrad error that wouldn't have got past my lecturers, or me when I was the one doing the assessing.

What has that got to do with anything? Is that a joke or did you think it was an actual argument?

Telling a MAN to get out of the womens toilets can be done by anyone, because they are a GC feminist or because they know men shouldn't be in womens toilets.

People mistaking a girl for a boy can be done for all kinds of reasons. If anything, they are far LESS likely to be GC feminists than anyone else, because GC feminists are well aware that girls can and do have short hair!

So is this blonde woman telling the TW to stay out of womens’ spaces and not to use womens’ toilets a GC feminist or TRA feminist?

KJK? Afaik she doesn't identify as a feminist of any sort.
And that confrontation is with an adult, this thread is specifically about children.

Tell that to @Datun who wants me to come up with something completely irrelevant.

At least my link is in regards as to who is policing womens toilets- which is the topic we were discussing.

The OP is like a spontaneous squirrel generator 🐿🐿🐿

There is nothing wrong with trying to keep men out of womens toilets.

Children should be left alone, obviously.

Yes, children should be left alone, and my presumption that it’s often GC activists policing womens’ toilets is a valid one based on probability and supported by peer reviewed, published research articles.

So why do they have to smile to placate some rude woman - it is hugely aggressive to challenge someone's right to use the lavatory. When it happens to me I don't feel like smiling - more like fucking crying that as a woman with short hair I am being bullied out of using the loo.

Maybe not all children - as the extended Loudon County saga illustrated perfectly!

So why do they have to smile to placate some rude woman

They don't, as far as I'm concerned a girl told she's a boy because she's got a short haircut can be extremely grumpy about it. Same goes for women - no one is owed a smile.

Toilets should be single sex. Unfortunately trans activists have lobbied hard for them to instead be single gender, ie if you have short hair and trousers you go in one toilet and if you have long hair and a skirt you go in the other. Ridiculous, and unsafe, but that is what they want.

It isn’t helpful, OP, to say that children should never be challenged. There are plenty of teenage rapists, some of them claiming to be transgender in order to gain access to girls in spaces where the girls are vulnerable. What you are saying is that teenage boys should be allowed in female toilets unchallenged and any adult who has a problem with that should go look for their parents. That’s not right, not leadt because boys of 12+ aren’t escorted by their parents everywhere.

Any distress caused to ‘Jenny’ was caused by trans activists making women feel more vulnerable in female toilets and thus more liable to question others over their right to be there.

@Itsoktogiveup

“It isn’t helpful, OP, to say that children should never be challenged. There are plenty of teenage rapists, some of them claiming to be transgender in order to gain access to girls in spaces where the girls are vulnerable. What you are saying is that teenage boys should be allowed in female toilets unchallenged and any adult who has a problem with that should go look for their parents. That’s not right, not leadt because boys of 12+ aren’t escorted by their parents everywhere.”

You’ve gone against the grain here and said essentially that it is right to challenge children/teens aged 12+ in the woman’s toilets.

The rationale for this seems to be a fear of teenage rapists. So, presumably because you think confronting masculine seeming children in the women’s toilets is the right thing to do, is this something you have done or would do? And why do you think searching out the child’s parents is not a feasible course of action?

Do you consider yourself a GC feminist? If not, then is there a particular type of feminism that you do consider yourself to align with?

Do you consider yourself a GC feminist? If not, then is there a particular type of feminism that you do consider yourself to align with?

Is there a type of feminism which isn't critical of the idea of gender stereotypes?

It isn’t helpful, OP, to say that children should never be challenged.

It certainly may be occasionally necessary to challenge someone else's child because of their behavior , not their appearance.

I find this very confusing. I was a teen in the sixties, just before the fashion for long straight hair. All of my young life I had been criticised and heavily persuaded towards cutting my long hair (long enough to sit on, very long single plait etc) but I did not give in. Most girls in the fifties and sixties - and most women - had short hair, very short hair in some cases, nearly what used to be called a shingle. Not till the early seventies did the fashion for long hair re-appear - mainly on men. So why is it now assumed that someone with short hair is male? All through the twentieth century women were encouraged to cut their hair - makes more money for hair stylists, I think, and even now older women generally have short hair - and it was also seen as liberating (long hair takes a lot of work) as well as hygeinic in the sense you were less likely to pick up head lice.

I've had hair of all lengths, and been thought a boy (before puberty) often enough.

I've been challenged in the women's once (many, many years ago), and I just said I was a girl and all was fine. I've been challenged in the mens and I've blushed, said thankyou, excused myself and headed to the women's

I wouldn't characterise any of the encounters as aggressive, just very normal 'are you sure you're in the right place' conversations.

And there's the thing. 30 years ago, we all knew that's all they were. Now, if there's a bloke in the ladies, perhaps it's not a mistake, perhaps he actually intends to be there - and that's what's caused a change in challenge maybe?

What? You find it hugely aggressive that someone might think that you are in the wrong toilet and mention it?

You find it hugely aggressive that a person with poor eyesight doesn't see the female cues of your face and body?

You find it hugely aggressive that women now are in a position that they no longer have the confidence that any person entering into the female single sex toilet is female and that males respect the needs of females enough to find other solutions for their toileting needs?

I would be again laying the blame for that at the door of those males who have created a situation where they demanded access to female single sex spaces. I would not be blaming feminists for this situation.

GC activists may be "policing" womens toilets to keep adult men out of them. Not from teenage girls with short hair. GC activists can tell what a girl is better than most people.

Blame the men for being in the womens toilets, nobody would need to police the jacks if they would keep the fuck out of them.

I wondered how long my post would stay up. Here it is again, with the offending words/phrases edited to something which might be allowed.

What does a 50-year-old 'transwoman' in the women's toilets have to do with short-haired girls using women's toilets?

But you're showing how this movement works. Using children as human shields for adult males who identify as women.

You’ve gone against the grain here and said essentially that it is right to challenge children/teens aged 12+ in the woman’s toilets.

What grain? We are all women, discussing your OP. We are not an organisation.

The rationale for this seems to be a fear of teenage rapists. No. As ever, the 'rationale' is that sometime sex matters and single sex spaces are required. The existence of teen rapists is one reason why!

So, presumably because you think confronting masculine seeming children in the women’s toilets is the right thing to do, is this something you have done or would do? That's pretty much the same "So we have shown" malarkey in the article you posted. See also "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Single sex spaces need to remain single sex. The only people who transgress this are people who need to be ejected from such spaces. Male, female, old or young!

And why do you think searching out the child’s parents is not a feasible course of action? I refer you to the Ludon County case.

Do you consider yourself a GC feminist? If not, then is there a particular type of feminism that you do consider yourself to align with? Why? Are women without any particular politics not to be heard?