Taxpayers should pay £40 million for trans men to have penises fitted abroad to bypass NHS waiting lists

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It’s an LBC article I saw on Apple News.

“Some 7.1 million people were on the waiting list in October, with 400,000 waiting for more than a year. Mr Brown said he understood that his group’s demands could seem outrageous in this context.”

The demands are outrageous. The NHS is on its knees, can’t keep up with current demands of health problems that people actually need fixed, so I wants should be the lowest priority. Either wait the time, or go private if you can afford it.

When I think of the hoops women have to jump through to get basic healthcare, HRT, to be able to have breast reductions when they are in pain every day… well it’s just pathetic.

The waiting is doing them a favour. Its a surgery with a high failure rate in the US there's surgeon performing them.with 18 pending lawsuits.

The nhs should not be paying for young adults with healthy bodies to be left with hand disabilities and incontinence. Which are amongst the common and severe complication lists.

Its most definately a surgery that comes under the heading "just because we can doesn't mean we should "

It should be reviewed by NICE because I cannot believe it is ethically or financially justified given the huge complication rates.

Especially as many of those advocating fir young people to have these surgeries and interventions have not actually done anything to themselves.

Ridiculous these surgeries aren’t deemed elective and the person playing for themselves.

There’s loads of cosmetic surgery I would loved to have - lifts and tucks - that would improve my mental health, however I’ve got to suck it up, and save for private.

God help us. That trans activist is very ill-informed, no surprise there, and the article is so badly written.

One of the big problems with having an op abroad, pretty much any op, is that if you get complications after you've returned home the NHS has to sort it. We don't have the skills in the UK to do this surgery, apart from in the one private hospital mentioned, so how would that even play out when the complication rate for phalloplasty seems to hover around 80%?

Pie in the sky and I really think (and hope) that this bonkers idea won't be entertained for one moment.

Absolutely. And another zillion to blind people with body dysmorphia, or amputate their limbs and create disabilities needing lifelong medication.

These people are off the wall batshit.

Tell taxpayers to fork out for surgery to treat a mental condition generated by activists, resulting in a notoriously unsuccessful outcome requiring multiple corrections and a slew of lifelong side effects.

Because homophobia and sexism.

I’m biased since I don’t think these operations should be happening at all except in rare circumstances on adults who have tried all forms of mental health intervention. But it’s flipping insulting when you have relatives at literal risk of death due to waiting for cancer/heart operations. I would be livid.

Tell taxpayers to fork out for surgery to treat a mental condition generated by activists, resulting in a notoriously unsuccessful outcome requiring multiple corrections and a slew of lifelong side effects

I dont think they would actually even mentally cope even if they did get the chance at a quicker /instant surgery.

A large chunk of the whole identity is the victim hood. The long waiting lists and the perceived issues with availability of treatment etc are all part of it. The surgery isn't some miracle end. Look at JJ. The energy simply went into raising money fir friends to have the surgeries and more activism.

You cant just stop after spending significant parts of your life fighting and arguing and blaming the " system" for all your issues.

It would literally solve nothing because the victim hood is the identity

Waiting lists for a phalloplasty in the UK - offered to trans men so their bodies can better match their gender identity - can be up to four years, and activists say this can be very bad for people's mental health.

"Just because it's not physical pain doesn't mean it's not pain. When people are struggling with dysphoria they can struggle to even leave the house."

They need their bodies to 'match' their gender identities, but nobody can ever explain what sort of body 'matches' with what sort of gender identity.

They need radical, expensive surgery to help their mental health, but at the same time we keep being told it's not a mental health condition.

7 million ? That can’t be right. There are only Thirty million adult females in the UK, and if you say that at least two million will be over sixty and therefore unlikely to be caught up in this, that would mean that one In four British adult women are yearning for a stick on penis.

Do we hazard think that this spokesperson may not be too good at counting? (I’m tempted to make a joke about where they keep their brains, but that would be flippant )

What are the wait times for youngsters needing mental health services?
Spend that money, and then some, on CAMHS.

That's the total number of people on the NHS waiting list, that's the context for this unreasonable demand.

It’s written badly but I think they mean 7 million people are on waiting lists for any form of NHS treatment.

I was thinking this very thought. 7 million ?

Ah sorry just saw the clarification

The suggestion of sending people needing hip replacements abroad is just ridiculous.

Does this person have any idea of the average hip patients pre and post op mobility and how long they’d have to spend abroad in recovery, away from friends and family before being certified as fit to fly? And where are the extra NHS physiotherapists going to come from to help all the newly foreign hip replaced people walk again?

The most common age for an NHS hip replacement is between 75 and 79

www.statista.com/statistics/1099120/hip-replacements-in-england-by-age-and-gender/

and this NHS page suggests that needing help at home for 6 weeks can be arranged if you don’t have family support.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/hip-replacement/recovery/

a quick Google suggests that most airlines and travel insurers say that you should not fly within 6 - 12 weeks of the surgery dependent on age and other risks for DVT.

But some transactivist flippantly suggests that we should just send elderly people abroad to cut orthopaedic surgical waiting lists and we’re supposed to take what they say seriously about other types of surgery?

This person isn’t living in the real world.

How long before people start identifying as a different species and then demanding surgery for it?
I identify as a killer whale and I really need the surgery for my mental health plus very large swimming pool to live in
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Well thats kinda been done already hasn't it . There was that cat guy.

NICE is signed up to Stonewall. I gather they include the SW suicide stats in some of their EDI and health equalities training.

Dh has been talking with friends since the announcement from the CC yesterday.

The subject of medicalising kids came up out of the blue (much to his surprise). The discussion went along the lines of its happening too young and too early and one of these guys (was all blokes) was saying he'd seen a number of kids transition early as teenagers only to desist when they hit their early 20s.

When people not engrossed in this subject are starting to notice detransitioning I think you have to ask questions.

I have to say, part of me feels this sudden push to medicalise by any means as quickly as possible, is about a feeling of trying to get as many people trans as quickly as possible before the jigs up on the whole con. The more they can convert ahead of that, the most who are trapped by it.

The raising of the subject stunned DH because he's fully aware of the shit because I'm up on it, but he's now hearing adults who have roles with safeguarding responsibilities openly saying this to each other in a way he's not heard before. What's more is there was a consensus within the group and no fear about voicing the opinion.

They also talked about the inappropriateness of drag acts performing to kids.

Its unravelling.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11461841/NHS-pay-women-wanting-penis-undergo-surgery-ABROAD-campaigners-say.html

Just saw this version in the mail.

The more they can convert ahead of that, the most who are trapped by it
You mean they are doing all they can to ensure a revenue stream going forward, people requiring therapy, surgery medication etc which will have to be paid for privately to deal with the issues caused?

Well that is indeed a motivation that would fit with the demand isn't it?