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inkjet · 2022-12-03T09:23:37+00:00

[[https://apple.news/AOPrr5ERrTlOl2lwYl1lM3g]] It’s an LBC article I saw on Apple News. “Some 7.1 million people were on the waiting list in October, with 400,000 waiting for more than a year. *Mr Brown said he understood that his group’s demands could seem outrageous in this context.”*

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/12/2022 15:41

You have a point. They are typically not kids or adults of any age who have ever done enough sport to discover the frustration of a sporting injury that took 30 seconds to sustain and six months to heal. That kind of experience endows you with unwanted knowledge concerning the sheer delicacy of the human body, and you stop taking its healing abilities for granted.

Also, language. If society could stop using incorrect terminology for the results of these procedures! No trans-identifying man has a vagina, or clitoris, or cervix (excepting his avtual spine), no matter how many operations he's been through, and use of these words misleads everyone.

It's like speculating that we can remove an unwanted appendix and transform it into a functioning heart.

Kucingsparkles · 05/12/2022 15:53

Also, language. If society could stop using incorrect terminology for the results of these procedures!

I agree. It's telling lies with deliberately misleading terminology. Then people get confused, e.g. if a person has a surgically-constructed neo-cervix then does that mean they need a cervical smear?

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: No, because a neo-cervix made of surgically-reconstructed colon is "like" an actual cervix only in the sense that a neo-liver made out of surgically-reconstructed armpit-hair is "like" an actual liver.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/12/2022 15:53

Also, language. If society could stop using incorrect terminology for the results of these procedures!
In this case 'penises surgically attached ' ... who is donating these penises?

RedToothBrush · 05/12/2022 15:54

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/12/2022 15:41

You have a point. They are typically not kids or adults of any age who have ever done enough sport to discover the frustration of a sporting injury that took 30 seconds to sustain and six months to heal. That kind of experience endows you with unwanted knowledge concerning the sheer delicacy of the human body, and you stop taking its healing abilities for granted.

Also, language. If society could stop using incorrect terminology for the results of these procedures! No trans-identifying man has a vagina, or clitoris, or cervix (excepting his avtual spine), no matter how many operations he's been through, and use of these words misleads everyone.

It's like speculating that we can remove an unwanted appendix and transform it into a functioning heart.

The conflation and misuse of language to deliberately hide or misrepresent or confuse reality is a feature of transgender activism.

It is a removal of power and agency to make it harder to verbalise, vocalise and recognise harms.

This is what happens with authoritarianism.

If you can't describe what is happening, you can't stop it.

DevilinaCardigan · 05/12/2022 16:29

As a PP mentioned, on 🥝 farms there is a thread on SRS or GRS with pictures. ⚠️ You will need a very strong stomach. Many of the pictures are of surgeries that have gone wrong, but even the others are … something.

potniatheron · 05/12/2022 16:55

Signalbox · 05/12/2022 15:34

Phalloplasty has a >50% complication rate, especially urinary / kidney issues because the female urethra is so much shorter than the male's and it's hard to stretch it.

Also I bet there's no evidence in relation to long term complications of these procedures. Once these women have been without oestrogen for 30+ years, their risk of urinary tract complications must go through the roof.

There's no long term studies. The closest we have is the real life case study of Buck Angel, who after 25 years of exogenous testosterone had her womb atrophy and begin rotting down inside her, she got sepsis and nearly died.

OldCrone · 05/12/2022 18:40

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/12/2022 15:18

If I cut up a ruffled dress, it wouldn't be reversible. There is a saying "measure twice, cut once" for fabric, which alludes to the impossibility of putting your fabric swatch back together after you've cut too much off.

The kids think human bodyparts are easier to fix and replace than a roll of gingham cotton!

Not surprising when we have people like transactivist doctor Johanna Olson-Kennedy saying that if girls who have had mastectomies want breasts later they can just go and get them.

Presumably they're being told the same lies about all the other transgender surgical procedures.