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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

That's Nicola telt.

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WandaWomblesaurus · 29/11/2022 18:59

https://twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1597652609250119681?s=46&t=r0rB0VUPxPN48APJwhS_kg

I know she's been mentioned on another thread but flowers please for this brave woman.

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SidewaysOtter · 01/12/2022 20:56

Another applauding. To stand up to that room of privileged, po faced women celebrating the subordination of their sex class and covering their ears and averting their faces from the harm to the less fortunate of their sex.... that is courage.

This in absolute spades. The woman in that video is a fucking hero.

WomaninBoots · 01/12/2022 21:29

You can't distort the public discourse on an issue such that one "side" is lambasted and ostracised for their view. Then construe their silence as acquiescence to the other "side".

How confident are women to report problems they've had with males in women's single sex spaces in countries that have adopted self ID? How likely are they to be listened to by the completely captured authorities and organisations?

You can't punish people for objections then declare "there are no objections".

It's all so bloody dishonest.

FannyCann · 01/12/2022 21:41

Frankly a lot of women are going to have issues with Malta being cited as leaders in human rights.

This Malta? Yes, I have issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/world/europe/malta-abortion-andrea-prudente.html

Helleofabore · 01/12/2022 22:21

And also, in that statement about impact of self ID, has the Scottish Government looked at the DBS loophole issue.

I mean the Westminster child abuse panel did not consider males abusing the DBS process through changing their identity due to self ID. As they admitted themselves this week to Miriam Cates.

What extra standards has Scottish Government put in that Westminster hasn’t??

Or … is this just another issue filed under ‘no negative impact’ when in fact it is just ignored.

I cannot believe that people really are spreading this deep misinformation. I cannot believe people point out the lies of the Tories when SNP in Scotland are showing themselves to be very dishonest.

Outright lies.

Usethesausageasabreakwater · 01/12/2022 22:56

Some of them in the room need to start standing up. People need to start being brave to create a tipping point.

Usethesausageasabreakwater · 01/12/2022 22:58

TheirEminence · 29/11/2022 20:40

That woman in the big white jumper with the short hair - she looks like she really wants to get up and shut up the woman who’s speaking. They way she chews her pen in irritation, and swivels her eyeballs, harrumphing. She looks like she’s in her late twenties, university graduate, not a mum, and her reaction is one I can understand on one level (shut down that b*h who is saying things you’re not supposed to say) but it’s these women who will need to change their minds if we want to turn this thing around. Women are the key enforcers of this ideology, even if men benefit.

Let’s not play the game of knowing what people think, enough of that in this world already creating this.

Scarfymcscarface · 04/12/2022 10:00

Bravo Alexandra Darroch for speaking out to say what many of us think (and your friends!) Star

I find it chilling that a note was sent out to the attendees specifically asking them not to raise or discuss this issue which affects all women and girls.

RhannionKPSS · 04/12/2022 11:15

We know it was the organizers that sent out the letter that told women specifically not to mention the GRC & single sex spaces, & one of the attendees was MW , the trans identifying CEO of Edinburgh rape crisis Centre. So it was the ultimate chilling and we know it’s all linked to funding. I do think some of the women in that room did agree with our star speaking truth to power, but they are cowards when it comes to their own wages & clearly they can’t see that the tide has turned now.

KittensNotMittens · 04/12/2022 11:22

Self identifying. Hasn’t seen the point of legally registering their preferred sex. So above all law eh?

nilsmousehammer · 04/12/2022 12:22

RhannionKPSS · 04/12/2022 11:15

We know it was the organizers that sent out the letter that told women specifically not to mention the GRC & single sex spaces, & one of the attendees was MW , the trans identifying CEO of Edinburgh rape crisis Centre. So it was the ultimate chilling and we know it’s all linked to funding. I do think some of the women in that room did agree with our star speaking truth to power, but they are cowards when it comes to their own wages & clearly they can’t see that the tide has turned now.

You would have to have nerves of steel to face a well known, vigorously enabled male in the room who has very much skin in the game, and to say anything when not only would you be directly shot down in flames by said male and handmaidens, you'd probably lose your job and risk ending up in court. Their funding, the homes and families, all rest on compliance to males and male centric politics that is induced by fear . Thanks to The Chief Inquisitor 'Feminist'. Professor Dolores Sturgeon.

And yes they are handmaidens because that male's happiness and contentment is more important to them than any female who may lose their lives through staying in a lifethreatening relationship because their trauma makes that male's male centred and highly demanding of compliance space for women inaccessible to them.

So I have a lot of sympathy for those women. There's been we know from women on MN, underground dealing and quiet sleights of hand by women in the refuge system trying to find accessible male free spaces for women in need to go, but no one must know or find out. Meeting women's needs has become a dirty concept in the world of women's resources.

Igneococcus · 04/12/2022 13:25

Gillian Bowditch comment in the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ec72244e-734e-11ed-a107-df8b1c5e158a?shareToken=e48f7ad6a982f7149c5783064dcf76d7

ArabellaScott · 04/12/2022 14:04

Igneococcus · 04/12/2022 13:25

Excellent, thanks for the share.

'We are in uncharted territory. If there are concerns that 50 per cent of the population stands to lose fundamental rights and protection; if there are worries that lowering the age at which young people can change their legal sex to 16 could leave children open to exploitation; and if there are interventions by the UN and the Equality and Human Rights Commission, the least that should happen is that the legislation should be paused.'

Thelnebriati · 04/12/2022 14:44

I hope she's OK with being named in that article.

dementedma · 04/12/2022 16:15

Do we have a date for the third hearing of the Bill? Have my protest pants ready!

Igneococcus · 04/12/2022 17:21

She's been named in a few earlier articles, I assume she is ok with it.

ArabellaScott · 04/12/2022 20:26

www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,has-nicola-sturgeon-finally-woken-up-to-the-dangers-of-selfid

'...hurrah, to the bravery of the woman who heckled the first minister. And yes, it was uncomfortable to watch a room full of self-proclaimed feminists twiddling their pens, looking the other way, and refusing to acknowledge a fellow traveller who was angry and who was standing up for women and for trans rights. But she did us a favour because in the aftermath, Sturgeon made a startling admission – that the risks she had previously dismissed – that predatory men could seek to abuse a system to harm women – as not valid, do in fact exist.

And therefore, by her own logic, women are indeed the collateral damage she is willing to offer up as the price for pursuing a policy rooted in gender ideology that ignores the biological reality of most women’s lives and the duplicity of male abusers.

The first minister, it appears, has had a Damascene conversion and now joins the ranks of those of us who have been arguing for years that the policy of self-ID was inherently risky to the safety of women because of men – not the trans people, as activists have wilfully manipulated the narrative to be – who will take advantage of any loosening of the already meagre protections that exist for women.'

scratchedbymycat · 04/12/2022 21:01

ResisterRex · 29/11/2022 19:41

As an aside, when Zero Tolerance were on their arse in a funding crisis many moons ago, it was JKR who bailed them out. I know because I was briefly a volunteer there at that time and I remember the letter writing efforts that went into getting the money. There was no money, and JKR was the only one who stepped up.

This organisation had a campaign in the 1990s fighting violence against women and girls, centred around these amazing black and white photos posters. One of them was starkly captioned "No man has the right" and caused some controversy thanks to the 'not all men' apologists.

How on earth do they square that campaign and those words with where we are now? Nicola Sturgeon is the absolute LAST person I'd have got to come and talk at the anniversary.

ArabellaScott · 04/12/2022 21:42

JKR was the only one who stepped up.

Hm. They get virtually no donations at all, now, from what I recall looking at their last accounts. Funding comes from the Government.

  • yep, under £700, if I'm reading that correctly, comes from donations. (y/e 2021)

The rest is Govt grants:

Performance related grants
Scottish Government - VAWG 176,770
Scottish Government - Gender Institute 48,501 -
CORRA Fund 32,115

(CORRA is Lloyds TSB Foundation for Scotland)

Igneococcus · 05/12/2022 06:20

There's an article in the Times today about SG funding of the charities that wroote the letter for Reem Alsalem:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c01a03ca-7412-11ed-8dd6-146590878cf8?shareToken=8468b84e819e01efbaa3e797b1907973

Happylittlechicken · 05/12/2022 06:44

Well what a surprise…. Not. So NS got her flying monkeys to try to shout down legitimate concerns on threat of removing their funding. So the only organisation that was ‘neutral’ that signed that letter was Amnesty. Where Shon Faye used to be an ambassador, and who are fully on the TWAW. Well, in western countries anywhere. Someone should tell Amnesty international that their campaigning for single sex spaces in India, Africa, Pakistan and Other developing countries is transphobic and bigoted.

Helleofabore · 05/12/2022 08:27

Amnesty? Neutral? No. They are not. Let me find their statements from the past year or two. Iseult White had somethings to say to the current leader last year or was it two ago.

iseult.substack.com/

I remember she climbed a mountain with this and I have watched her harden her stance, like Helen Joyce, over the past year or so.

Iseult is the daughter of one of the founders of Amnesty.

There is a reason they have the nickname Amnasty.

KittensNotMittens · 05/12/2022 08:47

Man nasty?

Birdsweepsin · 05/12/2022 08:55

Zero Tolerance were on their arse in a funding crisis many moons ago, it was JKR who bailed them out.

This fact should be more widely known

ArabellaScott · 05/12/2022 09:04

'...the Scottish Conservatives have since discovered through Freedom of Information requests that five of the six signatories have received government funding in recent years. Shona Robison, spokeswoman for the social justice secretary, said: “The Tories should apologise for this disgraceful smear on some of Scotland’s leading human rights organisations and frontline women’s charities.”'

It's a smear to get Govt funding, now? What an odd thing to say, Shona!

ArabellaScott · 05/12/2022 09:07

Oh, Mridhul Wadhwa was a director of Equality Network from 2017 until last year, I see.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC220213/filing-history

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