That's Nicola telt.

[WandaWomblesaurus]

https://twitter.com/oceanbreathcafe/status/1597652609250119681?s=46&t=r0rB0VUPxPN48APJwhS_kg

I know she's been mentioned on another thread but flowers please for this brave woman.

There was a Muslim woman, wearing a scarf, who applauded when the woman left. Dh is Muslim, I have lots of Muslim friends and I have lived in a Muslim country. Based on that, I cannot imagine why even a liberal Muslim woman (which her scarf suggests she is not) would be ok with biological males in women’s spaces. I therefore infer there are many women’s rights activists who feel they have to go along with the current narrative about gender rights or they will be suffer like JKR. It’s pathetic.

How at a Zero Tolerance event can you tolerate silencing women on a matter relating to VAWG? How at a Zero Tolerance event can you tell feminists to shut it?

According to the ZT latest annual report, 77% of their funding comes from the Scottish government. Another 20% comes from CORRA (I'm not sure what proportion of that is also from the government). There are 8 staff and staff costs are 91% of expenditures. There appear to be 7 board of trustee members. One could surmise that at least 15 people in that room were financially and/or reputationally invested in supporting the government view.

twitter.com/solidsnade/status/1598009786792300544

Apologies I haven't read every post so this might have been covered.

The video shared by JK Rowling cuts short. The original video shows the audience applauding as our friend is escorted out the room. Nicola then goes on to imply support several times for transwomen which receives applause.

It seems clear the group of women there support trans-rights and the interruption didn't succeed in changing anyone's mind.

As for "silencing debate", the GRC thing has had 3 (I believe) consultations and been debated to death for years. There are other items on the agenda.

And here you are pie on a thread that is about a VAWG conference when you have dismissed violent acts against women that you disagree across three or four other threads now.

Why should anyone take your interpretation of these events as being credible?

Yes. The Scottish Government has done multiple consultations and has ignored the outcomes and the public view. What does that say about the Scottish Government?

That some people are dishonestly stating ‘no evidence was heard’ about negative impacts when those wishing to give evidence and discuss their personal experiences were ignored and have been very vocal about it says so much about them.

There is no topic more important that the safety of females of all ages. That was the topic of that event. That was the agenda.

@MargaritaPie of course you’d be in favour Of silencing women, and of anything that prevents the reduction of VAWG. On another thread didn’t you say an assault in a woman ‘wasn’t that bad’?

This times a thousand, times all the women in Scotland, times every woman who will be harmed by her men’s rights activist policies.

Margey, in common with many MSP's, is ignoring the fact that agreement with reforming the GRA has dropped with every subsequent consultation done in Scotland and the latest (a call for evidence) shows a clear majority against reform.

They just ignore it and keep parroting 'the public support reform'. They don't.

In the same way, MSP's keep parroting 'the SNP were elected on a manifesto to reform the GRA'. Except nowhere on the manifesto is mentioned about eliminating single sex spaces and services or the Government's embarrassing push to redefine the meaning of the word woman.

In the Times today "Six SNP rebels defy party again on gender issue"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/52602b20-7101-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=69b766b0f29039e4809deb19ef17cbcc

"The rebellion came as Shona Robison, the social justice secretary who is responsible for the bill, suggested that Alsalem had not listened to experts in Scotland before she raised concerns over the changes."

Who are those experts, I wonder?

Also a comment by Raquel Rosario Sanches. Not sure it's been shared anywhere yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d74d2ffa-70bf-11ed-8a5b-f385de7508fe?shareToken=0b44abaf74b594c0c2d8b8be22a0e922

My understanding is that prior to the event the audience were told what they could and couldn’t speak about. It was all engineered which is probably who no one else responded.
One vey brave lady clearly slipped through the vetting net.

"All rape crisis services in Scotland are inclusive of transwomen and have been for 15 years. In those 15 years, there has not been a single incident of anyone abusing this.”

(From that Times article Igneococcus posted.)

Having spoken to one former manager of a local rape crisis Centre in Scotland, this is categorically untrue.

Local centres are autonomous, they operate their services entirely independently from Rape Crisis Scotland. They handle all incidents that happen by themselves and they do not report them to the central office. The latter has also never asked if there have been incidents.

One final reason why Rape Crisis Scotland has not been told about any incidents that this particular manager handled, is that given the central office's public campaign for self-id and their rejection of any and all objections to including men with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment in what should be a female-only therapeutic environment, this manager believes that central office doesn't want to know and would not accept that any abuse of their policy had happened.

This has to be stated and stated.

These Are Lies.

They are PROVABLY LIES.

And not only are they direct lies, there are further lies of omission.

Women are actively discouraged and there are threatening consequences for daring to mention and report incidents. Those places are under heavy pressure to avoid recording and reporting incidents. The evidence that this does not work for women and is dangerous to women is politically unwanted and it is suppressed even though it is harming women to benefit men .

Women are being forced to self exclude from refuges where the presence of these more important, more valuable men in women's refuges makes them inaccessible to women. No one is measuring how many women no longer have access to women's refuges or any help at all so that men can have mens services, women's services, and absolute freedom of choice and be the centre of all funding and attention.

Some of those women will stay in highly dangerous situations because of those men. And those men are statistically, by the words of the refuge leaders themselves stated on the record in the Scots parliament infinitely less likely to be at risk of serious injury or murder in the abuse they experience compared to women

As a refuge leader stated on the radio, Some women will die because these men and their egos and wishes and preferences are seen as more important than women, and even women's lives. And because men couldn't bear even to permit some refuges to stay accessible to females. They grudged even those tiny crumbs of compassion.

If you want to see sin of the wickedest kind.... here it is.

The Government and NS aren't ignoring anyone. Scotland's GRC bill has the majority of support from the public and politicians, including from women.

"That was the agenda."

Actually it wasn't. NS clearly specified that particular event wasn't to discuss gender critical matters.

"That some people are dishonestly stating ‘no evidence was heard’"

You could also look at the problems(or lack of problems) Ireland, or Switzerland, or New Zealand who have self-ID for years have had.

And what items are those PIE?
Are they items that would need women to have safe spaces away from your friends penises?

List the items please @MargaritaPie.
Do they cover male violence, rape or murder of women?

I didn't attend the meeting, but I'm sure finding out wouldn't take much time.

NS clearly specified that particular event wasn't to discuss gender critical matters.

You don't seem to understand though pie that single sex spaces are not actually 'gender critical' matters. They are universal feminist matters. So, at a conference about MVAWG, I am afraid not discussing the needs of women for single sex spaces is going to be mean the conference is going to be meaningless to the majority of women. Hardly a balanced view point.

You could also look at the problems(or lack of problems) Ireland, or Switzerland, or New Zealand who have self-ID for years have had.

You mean like Barbie Kardashian in Limerick prison? How about the issues facing the females incarcerated in prisons with males in the USA?

I notice that you tried to neatly deflect away from the piling up of evidence from the USA. Why is that do you think?

I mean seriously pie your dismissal of violence against women is vile enough, but to then deny the issues in prisons is fucked up.

@MargaritaPie
I'm a domestic abuse, multiple assault and rape survivor.
Are you saying to me that I should be fine with men who say they are women being in support groups for rape counselling even when I am saying to you that I am triggered by male bodied people because of the horrific sexual abuse I have experienced and that cosmetic appearances do not change that these are men? Are you saying I should not be able to access services for biological women alone. Are you saying I should not be able to ask for a female gp or nurse?

Because if that's what you are saying you need to think carefully about what you are doing actively to the mental health of rape survivors like myself.

I’m quite new to these boards so may have missed it, but has @MargaritaPie ever posted anything provable, believable, factual or vaguely feminist. All I see is someone who condones make violence and posts hot takes. It’s funny to be honest, but if I had had my arse handed to me as many times as Margie, I’d have stopped handing it out. @MargaritaPie what is your problem with single sex spaces? Why do you believe all spaces should be mixed sex? If TW are in danger of being in male spaces, surely making all spaces mixed sex would put them in more danger?

The people who are protesting against Scotland's GRC bill are in the minority I'm afraid. That's the fact.

And marg answers my question. Bless you marg, just keep on believing your err… ‘facts’

Absolute rubbish .

Are you in Scotland, Marg?

So @MargaritaPie any answer as to why you do not believe female rape victims have the right to spaces away from males to receive help with their trauma? Why should vulnerable women be used to validate male delusions?

NS clearly specified that particular event wasn't to discuss gender critical matters.

The irony. If only clearly specifying "this particular event isn't to discuss male matters" would work for women, and the government would facilitate that, rather than force men upon women.