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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Change of CEO at mermaids…

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backaftera2yearbreak · 25/11/2022 17:52

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

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titchy · 30/11/2022 16:34

I read as change of culture within the organisation itself rather than cultural perceptions of society. Which could be a fantastic move if they mean what I think they do, but do they have enough self awareness to realise that's what they desperately need?

deepwatersolo · 30/11/2022 16:38

I am not at all surprised if it turns out that under SG no care at all was taken to safeguard that procedures, processes, sytems, management… conformed to any standards.

The essence of SG was always to ‚know better‘ and therefore ignore and circumvent any controls and regulations. That was her whole message.

BoreOfWhabylon · 30/11/2022 16:38

I suspect that, in the wake of the Breslow and Mew revelations, MM was forced to review the background checks that had been conducted on staff and volunteers, especially given that their headcount had increased considerably around a year ago.

Who knows what else was uncovered? Might explain the very swift shutdown of MM helplines as well as the sudden departure of SG.

Birdsweepsin · 30/11/2022 16:41

Anna SheHer doesn't mention trans at all. Or children/ young people.

Signalbox · 30/11/2022 16:41

BrownTableMat · 30/11/2022 16:27

I’d more read it as a reverse-ferret: we need to change the culture of pushing transition on children, into something more defensible and more in line with where NHS thinking is going

Ah yes that makes a lot more sense.

It’ll still be an uphill battle I should think. They can’t change too significantly or they will just be written off as TERFs. I foresee a mass exodus of tantruming non-binary staff.

nilsmousehammer · 30/11/2022 16:46

'Piece' implies PR/image.
Mention of people management is interesting and suggestive
And anyone actually hot on EDI as in all nine characteristics and actual law, would go down like a bucket of cold sick with the staff.

They don't just need someone 'fantastic', they need Mary Flipping Poppins.

BreadInCaptivity · 30/11/2022 16:56

nilsmousehammer · 30/11/2022 16:46

'Piece' implies PR/image.
Mention of people management is interesting and suggestive
And anyone actually hot on EDI as in all nine characteristics and actual law, would go down like a bucket of cold sick with the staff.

They don't just need someone 'fantastic', they need Mary Flipping Poppins.

Re: bucket of sick - maybe that's the point.

A realisation that they need to clear the decks of all the people SG attracted to the charity.

If they choose to go then that's a win.

This absolutely smells ferrety to me....

TheBiologyStupid · 30/11/2022 17:01

Rather like the Tavistock, I suspect it will not be possible to adapt and repair, and the answer is to begin again, however with strong boundaries to prevent those with views and beliefs incompatible with safeguarding, regulation and law from simply recreating the problem.

I really that is what is going to happen in the centres that replace the Tavistock.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/11/2022 17:10

Birdsweepsin · 30/11/2022 16:41

Anna SheHer doesn't mention trans at all. Or children/ young people.

Yes, that jumped out for me, too. Where was the tweet seen?

TheBiologyStupid · 30/11/2022 17:14

D'oh - late catching up with the thread and all my comments have ended up together at the bottom.

That should be: "I really hope that is what is going to happen in the centres that replace the Tavistock".

Birdsweepsin · 30/11/2022 17:58

TheBiologyStupid · 30/11/2022 17:10

Yes, that jumped out for me, too. Where was the tweet seen?

twitter.com/RedMags60/status/1597979190313115648?s=20&t=jqGQbmxO_mdcp2X3namMSg

ResisterRex · 30/11/2022 18:09

Iliveinanoodie · 30/11/2022 13:17

From a question in site stuff. Reply below;

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 26/11/2022 10:39

Hi @GrabbyGabby thanks for posting. In the past, we received reports about the term 'castration' when used to describe gender reassignment surgery and it became clear that transgender people would struggle to engage in a discussion where the word was used. We also found it's clear that using pronouns about a transperson that they have consciously rejected will have the same effect. As our guidelines say, we don't want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group here in good faith. We're not here to stifle debate and we do think it's possible to have a discussion about all aspects of sex and gender within our guidelines, as most threads in Feminism have shown.

We should be clear there is no blanket ban on the term but we do look at things in the wider context of the discussion.

That's interesting cos my deletion was swift. All I had done, was quoted text from the Telegraph which was about WPATH and the e-word (won't say it in case that's not allowed either) Maybe watchers were quick on the draw?

But the article was a proper one and the word was used in the right context.

ResisterRex · 30/11/2022 18:12

Birdsweepsin · 30/11/2022 16:04

Seen on Twitter. Looks like we were wrong about the Office Angels ad!

Also. What's a 'culture change piece'?

Looks like desperate window dressing, particularly as it's spiced up with the "culture change piece" management speak BS

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 30/11/2022 18:27

80k, eh? Wonder what's the reason for the increase?

GoTeamRocket · 30/11/2022 18:29

If they have lost a load of funding, there may have to be an organisational change (redundancy) piece. I genuinely don't say this with any satisfaction, because losing your job through no fault of your own is miserable.

But the advert doesn't read as any endorsement of Green, they are essentially looking for someone to mop up her mistakes.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 30/11/2022 18:39

Whoever it is, I really want to be a fly on the wall at the first equality and diversity discussion that happens once they're appointed.

RedToothBrush · 30/11/2022 19:31

deepwatersolo · 30/11/2022 16:38

I am not at all surprised if it turns out that under SG no care at all was taken to safeguard that procedures, processes, sytems, management… conformed to any standards.

The essence of SG was always to ‚know better‘ and therefore ignore and circumvent any controls and regulations. That was her whole message.

I think this is what's happened.

Green bullshitted her way out of previous stuff as she was held in esteem as being an authority on what to do.

So she got away with the data breach. The stuff with their forum was explained away as just being the charity growing.

But the Cass Review highlighting the medical and ethical bullshit brings that into question. And thats coupled with major safeguarding fails which highlight problems are ongoing and Green wasnt properly doing things. The court case with the LGB Alliance is yet another example of poor judgment and decision making. Basically she was so far out of depth and unprofessional and could no longer be excused or justified. Especially with the charity commission breathing down their neck.

I suspect the 'Mermaids is under attack' campaign was the straw that broke the camels back and a row behind the trustees and Green over the safeguarding issue broke out. The Trustees wanted safeguarding matters resolving but Green responded by doubling down and saying there is no problem its just Mermaids being unfairly targeted. Because that's the only way she could cover for her lack of ability to do the job at that point. Susie was essentially getting paid a lot to fail to do the job required for a charity of Mermaids size.

It sounds like they are now looking for someone with plenty of experience in the charity sector willing to clean house - which will potentially include at least a partial reverse ferret. They want someone who knows what responsibilities come with the job and an income of that size.

But there are still plenty of fuck wits out their in the charity sector for whom this is still beyond but will fancy making a name for themselves with this one. Not realising the cash cow has been killed in the charity famine of the incoming winter of 2022/23.

Green got as far as she did by creating the fantasy of 'better a daughter than a dead son' and talking up suicide based on the issues within her own family which to any sane outsider look like a homophobic attitude used to convert a child who touched the wrong toys. Green was a fabulous saleswoman. She probably could sell ice to the inniut. And as such everything is explained on being trans with no consideration of another explanation. Hence Mermaids success. Its sales and marketing of an idea. Not duty of care and safeguarding of children.

That is until the Cass Review explicitly said it was an observation of a pattern that was happening - dubious parent child relationships which were trying to medicalise children because they didn't live up to parental expectations and desires or were otherwise victims of other trauma often sexual.

Whilst Green never made any secret of what she did, people excused it because to believe differently was to realise that someone was so open about her questionable actions to the point of pride and telling anyone who would listen. That's kinda incomprehensible to take in.

People tend to see the good in others and are trusting as a default. Especially the naive young of the left who have lived middle class lives untroubled by abuse or relative hardship.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out and what the background of the new CEO is...

The Trustees shit a brick as the penny dropped over everything...

MassiveWordSalad · 30/11/2022 20:05

Sounds very plausible @RedToothBrush

Does India Willoughby need employment at the moment? 😈

Clymene · 30/11/2022 20:11

Before they hid their staff list, I had a look at it. Pretty much every single employee is trans identified or is the parent of a trans identifying child.

No charity should be entirely run by people who have a vested interest in a particular outcome. There must be scrutiny and governance within - particularly when you are in receipt of large amounts of public money.

I think this is a wider issue than just mermaids but it bears repeating. The cult of the charismatic leader is a disaster in a charity context.

RoyalCorgi · 30/11/2022 20:12

I think RedToothbrush has nailed it.

FannyCann · 30/11/2022 20:18

*I am not at all surprised if it turns out that under SG no care at all was taken to safeguard that procedures, processes, sytems, management… conformed to any standards.

The essence of SG was always to ‚know better‘ and therefore ignore and circumvent any controls and regulations. That was her whole message.*

This is interesting because I confess to having wandered over to that farming site in search of gossip. And what struck me is how very little information those miners have been able to dig up. Suzie Green the IT consultant has done a great job of teaching her family to protect their privacy and limit their social media output.
Yet Suzie Green, CEO of Mermaids has seen a massive data breach of confidential information relating to many children/families, a shockingly cavalier attitude to safeguarding the forums and chat rooms and the wider culture of the organisation.

It's a mystery.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/11/2022 23:04

RoyalCorgi · 30/11/2022 20:12

I think RedToothbrush has nailed it.

+1

WallaceinAnderland · 30/11/2022 23:30

But why would you take another charity and, indeed, the Charity Commision itself, to court, thus putting your own under scrutiny, if you knew you had not been compliant?

Was it just pure arrogance? Or vexatious litigation perhaps?

Even so, such a risk to take and the board must have agreed to it.

pattihews · 30/11/2022 23:43

Don't forget that Stonewall was in there in the early days, then ran off and left Mermaids on its own.

Boiledbeetle · 01/12/2022 00:04

WallaceinAnderland · 30/11/2022 23:30

But why would you take another charity and, indeed, the Charity Commision itself, to court, thus putting your own under scrutiny, if you knew you had not been compliant?

Was it just pure arrogance? Or vexatious litigation perhaps?

Even so, such a risk to take and the board must have agreed to it.

A mixture of arrogance and stupidity and a big dollop of Susie Greens God complex

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