Change of CEO at mermaids…

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mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/susie-green-leaves-mermaids/

cough literature reviews be careful this doens't include 'grey literature' ie references to things with NO actual methodology but just assertions.

The thing is, no one can define GNC, because how far do you take it?

Not all lesbians grew up with short hair, dms, shaved heads, doing spot welding. Some do. Some do it in response and intentional rebellion against the stereotypes being pushed on them that they don't related to. Others are fine with the dolls, the long hair, the feminine clothes and activities, and just like what they like. Yet the act of fancying other female people is in itself GNC.

The only real answer is that gender is a lot of constructed bullshit that cannot be pinned down, and female and male people come with a wonderful range of personalities, interests and preferences, which shift over time and in response to age, experience, culture, friendships etc. And it's bloody stupid for parents to panic and try to read something determinate into a child focusing on a toy that makes the parent feel uncomfortable. When really, this says everything about the parent's own psychological issues and nothing about the child and how they may grow up.

We will never know how people like Jackie and Jazz may have grown up if left to find their own way unsteered by adults with agenda and issues of their own.

nilsmousehammer - "this says everything about the parent's own psychological issues and nothing about the child and how they may grow up.

We will never know how people like Jackie and Jazz may have grown up if left to find their own way unsteered by adults with agenda and issues of their own."

Almost every day I think of a prelapsarian time before medics started wielding their scalpels and concocting chemical "cures". None of this would be possible without medical narcissism and unscrupulous snake-oil salesmen.

Some parents can be blamed for jumping on the bandwagon but there are others who were terrified into compliance by the most evil of lies, "Do you want a living son or a dead daughter?"

I've been called odd because I hate opera and musicals and love sci fi.

Sexism is everywhere. It's also subjective

Thank @ResisterRex , how very irritating. It's not as if c is an offensive word.

So no threads on MN about chemical-c of paedophiles or vetinary c of bullocks then I guess 😂

Is anyone knowledgeable about when the Mermaids v. LGBA decision will be announced? Is there a time limit to these things where by a decision has to be reached by a certain date?

Marge and her friends seem to be avoiding this thread. I wonder why. I had a look at Mimmymums twitter and again, aside from pointing out quite a funny fail by the Times picture editor, does not mention Mermaids. The little mermaid thingy has gone from her profile, curious in that it is only a change of staff. Unless she thinks Susie is/was Mermaids.

I wonder if she will apply for the CEO job. Her twitter is really active. Lots of retweeting of Joss Prior and of Gendered Intelligence etc. (Oddly the focus is on their court case not the Mermaids one.) My overriding impression, based partly on her posts on wider political topics, is that she really does think she is cool and down with the kids. Virtue signalling all the way.

I wonder if she will apply for the CEO job.

Can't think of anyone better for the job ... of consigning it to oblivion.

Ahem!?! I will be much better at that than minnymum 😂

I really hope they pick an active transactivist. It would be brilliant. Which is why, I suspect, they never will.

Me too- although I love musicals AND Sci-fi! I find it so hard to label myself! Maybe I'm pan-fictional?

Nah. There is no way you can keep up the constant stream of virtue signalling.

It is obsessive. I wonder if she has ever taken a moment to reflect and consider whether she is as right as she thinks she is.

I made a post the other day that mentioned chemical c…
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What other perfectly fine words are on autoban do we know?

What other perfectly fine words are on autoban do we know?

I've been deleted for using the word "cult".

If I were Mermaids, I'd be looking to recruit an experienced professional from the charity sector, ideally with expertise in one or more of the following: cleaning up messes; reputation management; safeguarding; data protection. Ideally all four.

Corgi, the trouble is...what sensible and experienced professional would want the job.

You would almost be starting from scratch, and the likelihood is that the funding will dry up. I doubt that Children in Need, say, will touch it in the future. Also if you start looking at wider competencies, rather than a simple enthusiasm for Mermaids current and apparent aims and objectives, you might end up with a bit of a cull of staff and hence lose the woke wonga coming from the US or people like that Hbomberguy or whatever his name was.

Think of how long it took Stonewall to find someone. They are far more established.

There is a lot happening in terms of NHS and other policy and there is a role for a charity that can support and provide a voice for the parents of children with gender dysphoria, some of whom will carry that dysphoria on through to adulthood. However the tunnel vision exhibited by Susie and Helen should rule Mermaids out of the conversation. Affirmation only is not the answer, and indeed will be dangerous for many children.

Apparently Eunuchs are quite fond of the language of castration and are reclaiming it to refer to the surgical removal of their gonads. So it might eventually make a comeback.

That is what would make it salvageable, potentially, yes.

However I suspect someone with experience in any of that, trying to raise awareness and change practice to any of that, is going to be called transphobic in the first two minutes.

This is one of the organisations that have systematically chased out and avoided contact with anyone not absolutely on message, and unfortunately in the eyes of such organisations, safeguarding children is not compatible with desired practice.

Of course this means that desired practice is not tenable, as they are finding. Rather like the Tavistock, I suspect it will not be possible to adapt and repair, and the answer is to begin again, however with strong boundaries to prevent those with views and beliefs incompatible with safeguarding, regulation and law from simply recreating the problem.

From a question in site stuff. Reply below;

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 26/11/2022 10:39

Hi @GrabbyGabby thanks for posting. In the past, we received reports about the term 'castration' when used to describe gender reassignment surgery and it became clear that transgender people would struggle to engage in a discussion where the word was used. We also found it's clear that using pronouns about a transperson that they have consciously rejected will have the same effect. As our guidelines say, we don't want Mumsnet to be a place that feels inherently hostile to any group here in good faith. We're not here to stifle debate and we do think it's possible to have a discussion about all aspects of sex and gender within our guidelines, as most threads in Feminism have shown.

We should be clear there is no blanket ban on the term but we do look at things in the wider context of the discussion.

Lots of dodgy types will want that job but they’ll probably not give it to an obvious AGP. I reckon probably they’ll end up with a woke bloke or handmaiden from some suspect little fringe charity. Perhaps one that promotes queer theory influenced sex education or similar. The “anti-bullying” ”CEO” who objected to women being allowed privacy during breast screenings is the ur-example of the type I mean.

Seen on Twitter. Looks like we were wrong about the Office Angels ad!

Also. What's a 'culture change piece'?

Also. What's a 'culture change piece'?

I’m suspicious it means changing the culture of people believing it is wrong to block puberty and give synthetic hormones to children. SG failed to do this. They can really only succeed in their quest if they can get society to accept the narrative of the “trans child”.

I’m probably way off though!

Very interesting.

Looks like an acknowledgment that wholesale change is needed to me.

Also if you look at the requirements it's pretty damning of SG that a wholesale review is needed of operational processes/systems/procedures/management - upshot is it's hard to think of any aspect of an organisation that falls outside of those remits.

It's a big red flag that such sweeping interventions are required.

I’d more read it as a reverse-ferret: we need to change the culture of pushing transition on children, into something more defensible and more in line with where NHS thinking is going

I think so. If we remove the pointless word "piece", then they're looking for someone who can "lead a culture change". And that surely means a culture change within the organisation.

I agree with the people who responded to my comment by saying that it is going to be very hard to find someone competent and sensible who wants the job. Though I imagine the £80k salary will be an incentive.