New York - Let Women Speak tour - violent attacks, arrests

[ArabellaScott]

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Hoping everyone is okay.

That person is a lauded model apparently. Has modelled for Coach?

And the person with the double mastectomy scars has also be lauded as a model.

Not sure yet where green hat male fascinated by their breasts comes into it.

So antelope, you are not an Actual Gender Critical Left feminist ?

It's so clear, isn't it? A tall male with a harsh male voice shouting 'I will fuck you up', following, gesturing at, spitting on a woman who dared to question gender ideology.

This is who we are to share our spaces with.

And was screaming ‘f*ggot’ at women too.

A male who has major issues. Yet feels vindicated and justified for their violence.

The idea of some poor girl or woman encountering this person in a toilet or changing room is scary given their lack of self control & threats repeatedly made against women. They have zero self control or personal boundaries - and don't even pretend to have them.
Still - they've got a supporter in good ole antelope

Jesus. I hope those Twitter remarks are correct in that the reason he wasn't arrested is because the police didn't want to escalate the situation. And, as it's all on film, they will arrest him at some future point.

And I gather that Coach has been contacted for a comment on one of their models screaming and spitting at women and telling them they're gonna fuck them up.

What a disgusting state of affairs.

It will be interesting to see if this model is available hired again for a mainstream brand with women as their primary target.

To be fair, I would be questioning whether any mainstream male targeted brand would be associated with the female model either.

They both obviously feel their violence can be forgiven because…activism .

Ever. Not available.

don’t type on treadmill.

I listened again to the phrases they was shouting at the woman:

'I'm gonna beat your ass, bitch. I will fuck you up. These hands don't discriminate. Get back in the house'.

It's all so tediously familiar, isn't it?

It seem Casil McArthur has also worked for Coach. I expect that both of these models believe going topless and screaming abuse and spitting at women will heighten their profile.

All in a day’s PR really….

Still not sure whether green hat just joined in or is part of the group…

I just don't understand how anyone can see this and still think that it's women who are the fascists.

I hope millions of people get to see it. Really hope a big broadcaster picks it up.

OmiOmy I was saying that I've been trying to talk with my friends and family dotted around the States (that's where I grew up) about these issues. Pretty much a Dem voters, various stages of capture of gender ideology. Roe Vs Wade, prisons, sports, single sex facilities are what are slowly peaking them, but in the States, the loudest, funded voices about women's rights and the harms that gender ideology/medicalisation cause to children are from Christian evangelical groups who have anti-lgb, anti-abortion agendas etc. Liberals run a mile from these groups and it is very difficult for me/ us as non-US dwellers to truly understand their power and reach.

Add into that the militias, Proud Boys, Trumpian 'stolen election' brigade, incels and god knows what else shaping the political climate over there.

If these events had been on mainstream media (not left, there isn't any) and they saw women's rights/reps of Terf Island platforming men involved in the 6 Jan insurrection, Trump supporters etc, they would run a mile from the whole issue on a campaigning or public level.

So that's why I'm glad that the MSM in the States hasn't picked this up. They wouldn't hold anyone to account on guilt by association', it's more from understanding how well-funded, how powerful, how anti-women and how prepared to play the long game these religious right groups are.

And there is no resemblance between the UK political climate in 2018 when Maria Mc was assaulted and more and more people began to engage/peak and what's happening in the US now. None. Maria's assailants were anarchists-in-name misogynists, not linked to powerful, anti-women political groups and networks. What is going on in the States is completely different.

platforming men involved in the 6 Jan insurrection, Trump supporters etc, they would run a mile from the whole issue on a campaigning or public level.

So that's why I'm glad that the MSM in the States hasn't picked this up.

No January 6th rioters were platformed here. A group of women, many of them lesbians and mothers, spoke about women's rights and faced that onslaught of male violence.

You truly believe that your many US friends and family could look at this footage (the footage from NYC that we are discussing here on this thread) and conclude that the women are in the wrong and their voices must be dismissed?

Better that women are assaulted, threatened, and shouted down, and no major press covers it? Really?

I suppose I'll just say that as an American who has been talking to my own lefty/Dem-voting family and friends about this for years, I disagree with you heartily. I find this footage is having the opposite effect. It lays bare the male violence against (and drive to dominate) women who say "No."

women's rights/reps of Terf Island platforming men involved in the 6 Jan insurrection,

That didn't happen. The clue is in the name - Let WOMEN Speak. Men are not being platformed at these events.

Trump supporters etc

Plenty of Trump supporters and republicans in the States and many of them are women. If a left wing person can't cope with someone on the other team, they're the problem.

They wouldn't hold anyone to account on guilt by association', it's more from understanding how well-funded, how powerful, how anti-women and how prepared to play the long game these religious right groups are.

Which religious right groups are you talking about? What have they got to do with Let Women Speak? Why would the media have to talk about them at all - they've got nothing to do with it.

You truly believe that your many US friends and family could look at this footage (the footage from NYC that we are discussing here on this thread) and conclude that the women are in the wrong and their voices must be dismissed?

I would have to say that if this was my family and friends, that I would be very worried generally about how their opinions were formed.

January 6th rioters

May I ask who this refers to?

And how would that be construed as ‘not’ guilt by association?

Either they cannot conceive of the concept of an open mic rally, where there is also an invitation for women of any opinion to speak. Or they are unwilling to view issues critically and as an individual.

Sport is a very obvious point to start on.

I have had discussions with my democratic, campaigned for Obama USA friends about this issue. And simply and calmly gave them the information they needed. I have no idea what they now believe, but they certainly now understand that it was not how their friends with trans teens and their adult trans friends explained it. Which was that any push back was hate and phobia.

Ok. Thanks for that.

so this man, what did he say at the Miami event that you disagree with?

And you will notice that he voluntarily testified, and he was found to not have committed a crime and did not go inside. But protested outside.

Do you agree that people should be able to protest peacefully?

And is there any indication that this man did anything but protest peacefully?

Again, which far right man is supposed to have spoken at the NYC event that is the subject of this thread?

Those saying that they are glad THIS event, where women spoke and were assaulted, has not gotten much press coverage have not yet explained why these women’s voices and the male violence against them should not be aired.

A bad man spoke in Miami, so thank goodness the NYC women aren’t being covered much? Bizarre logic.

We are back to stopping people speak at a public open air open mic event again aren't we.

Do give us your solutions to this conundrum @sweetsweetpiccalilli.

if I was a gender ideologist, I wouldn’t want to get into a guilt by association pissing contest honestly. I mean we could start with John Money, Volkmar Sirtusch, Peter Tatchell, WPATH, PIE, and then start on the latest er dodgy characters….

I did offer on another thread to do the let he who is without sin cast the first stone bit regarding associations with people, people who believe in GI, people who demonstrate and speak for GI, people who promote GI especially in political circles and amazingly wasn't taken up on it.

There's a marvellous list of men who support GI who have subsequently ended up convicted of sex and child related crimes, hmm maybe that's why.

If the police are so scared of these people that they can't escort KJK to the demonstration for fear of attacks on their men, HOW are we then supposed to believe that these people are safe enough to let into our own safe and private spaces?

This question needs to be asked again and again. It needs to be asked of everyone saying we need to share our spaces, and every time the issue is mentioned.

We know the answer: it’s that women have to give men what they want, we are not allowed to disobey. But we will no longer accept it.

I meant the tour in general.

It is odd how they never credit these people with their contributions to gender ideology, and almost want them to be memory holed…. Surely they should be proud of the work these men have achieved in furthering the GI agenda?

I meant the tour in general.

People I know in the States have been peaked by Roe Vs Wade, sport, prisons, single sexed spaces. These events and who they have attracted in person to attend or protest and what media outlets have picked them up would have the opposite effect (disclaimer, not all people who attended and spoke).