New York - Let Women Speak tour - violent attacks, arrests

[ArabellaScott]

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Hoping everyone is okay.

I see Karen from You’re Kiddin… has a whole series of short videos on the event. They seem to have a lot of interest (one has 70k+ views). Lots of comments saying how disgusted they are with the TRA’s.

Yep @lifeturnsonadime .

I don't listen to or take kindly to any form of instilled belief or speech wherever it emanates from.

And then minimises the actual physical drama going on at these events.

Hyperbolic speech about what one woman is doing all wrong and then yeah but, no but, about the violence and abuse faced by that woman and other women who are there supporting her.

Am I the only one who on seeing that TRA poster that Grinitch linked and immediately thought:

'If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.'?

The woman about to be stamped is holding a placard saying 'I had it coming' as well.

Just wow

The woman about to be stamped is holding a placard saying 'I had it coming' as well.

Ah that well worn she was asking for it trope, any more proof required about the GI Agenda being an MRA Agenda?

Both my deleted posts were on a similar theme, pointing out the weirdness of which posts were getting deleted...

Well I disagree with both of you and KJK. I think she definitely IS a feminist (according to what my understanding of feminism is), even though she calls herself a femalist instead.

The only reason she is so negative about feminists, is because WP and associates act like such utter mugs and put down women, particularly her, whilst dickpandering.

I've watched the videos.

And THOSE MEN are the people we women are being bludgeoned into welcoming into our former female-only spaces??!!

Just NO.

Note to TRAs: you need less violent, less deranged PR. And less violent and less deranged attitudes towards women.

100%. KJK centres women and girls. The kind of "feminist" Antelope is makes me ashamed - she would sell all of us out for her political tribe.

Please let's not do this.

These people are also raised by men. Some of those men will be abusive. Some of the mothers will have zero autonomy in their own lives, let alone their childrens. Yet women get the blame once again.

Yes, some women will have a say in how their children turn out, many more are fire fighting and trying to mitigate the damage done to their developing children by other people. They are often not aided in this by family courts. They are on their own and doing their best.

I'm not sure why posts are getting deleted.

I did see Shiny's post though. It was a different take on KJK being in the States. shiny, I did not quite understand your post. You seemed to be saying that you're glad the events (or event in NYC) were not covered by the left media because...? If your family don't take to right MSM, surely it's better that it's covered by the left so that they can see it's happening? Radio silence is keeping the left in the dark.

Or was the issue something else? I may be misremembering tbh. Could you perhaps repost it without reference to Tara?

Actually thinking about surely you’d want the post saying that your moderation was one sided and favouring KJK deleted

apart from the fact that its an obvious ‘fib’ it doesn’t show the moderation in a very good light at all

having said that there are always posts on FWR saying that trans views are always deleted and dissention is not allowed which is quite obviously such a complete load of bollocks that they probably think there is no point

I think it's 'deeds not words'.

Look who else was there, and is celebrating the intimidation of women: Eli Erlick the rapist.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/eli-erlick-another-central-outlier

Indeed - and certainly not a bloody ‘identity’.

I find posts saying that it is irresponsible for these events to be organised because it puts women in danger to be tone deaf.

If these people protesting did so in a way that made their point without violence of any sort, and allowed others to hear women speak and then gave those listening an alternative view, then it wouldn’t be an issue at all.

I am constantly surprised that those making the claims don’t see the victim blaming in their posts.

The blame is not to be laid at the feet of the women just trying to speak. The blame is not that occasionally someone with far right views is speaking. Because we are adults and we should be able to listen and make decisions as to whether that person speaking is someone we agree with or not.

The blame for the violence at these events is solely the responsibility for the people choosing to protest in this violent way. From screaming at babies to squeezing moobs, from pies to pepper spray and spitting seems to be a big thing too.

These are supposedly people old enough to choose their treatment paths and make life long decisions, including being violent towards women who say things they don’t like.

Don’t forget also it is also the law of the area where the event is held that allows this violence to occur. (How strange that the events at Hyde Park Speakers Corner are never like this at all. Rarely even a peep. Maybe a lone flag waver…)

So those saying, women should not be put in that position and it is the organisers fault.

No, it isn’t.

Or are you someone who also dismisses violence by ignoring it because it is happening to women you disagree with?

Actually thinking about surely you’d want the post saying that your moderation was one sided and favouring KJK deleted

Yep, one of my deleted posts said that even posts with lies don't get reported or deleted and that I'd never reported a post on FWR. Weird.

What is it about people today who cannot allow people to speak and to listen or not, but allow others to hear and make their own assessment as to whether they agree?

If a far right wing person speaks at a rally where everyone is welcome to listen, and all women are allowed to speak and then maybe an occasional man, does that mean all listening are completely unable to make their own judgement?

I have listened to women who are socialist speak and also thought they had views I found not relevant to modern society and ideological, and I have listened to other women who are socialist and agree with everything they have said.

What is the difference?

Genuinely, what is the difference? When you are at any rally and listening to any speaker and either agreeing or disagreeing? Surely the entire point is to hear others views, extreme as they may be and find relevance or not, find it challenging or not.

This entire ‘associates with far right’ is so fucking lazy and intolerant when it is applied to these speaker’s corners events where speakers are not organised or really even vetted.

I am still astounded to see people declare themselves real feminists when they are subscribing to this
style of thinking.

But I guess, if you lack the maturity to be able to filter speakers and only expect to hear things you agree with, you lack the maturity to understand just how similar you are to those people protesting women speaking.

If you don’t listen to other points of view, how can you challenge them? I make it a policy to listen to as many different views on subjects that affect me as I possibly can. That way I may learn new things, and can either realise I may have been wrong about things, or that I was right. Echo chambers are not good for anyone.

I possibly owe antelope a partial apology, the way they plopped onto the thread with the anti Posie film made be assume they were an anti Posie TRA, rather than an anti Posie Actual Gender Critical Left feminist. It can be difficult to tell the difference.

I am neither. I am a feminist.

Has this been poated yet? Another video of one of the moobs bearers shouting that they will "fuck up" women.

twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1592267239046385664?t=EfpSuFNm2N5HOZVlppX8KA&s=19

Oh and he was spitting on people.

@antelopevalley this may seem harsh but I have seen absolutely no evidence of you being a feminist. You have minimised abuse and violence towards women and seem to be mounting a hate campaign against someone trying to protect womens rights, ok, PP may not be doing it in the way you would but does that matter? Instead of slagging women off, give constructive criticism. If you don’t like the security firms posie is using, give her the contact details of ones you consider more suitable. It honestly looks like you are trying to derail whatever other women are trying to achieve and that’s really not a good look for a feminist.