'Misgendering' cannot be discussed?

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It seems we are not allowed to discuss this

I agree. its completely arbitrary depending on who is policing MN that day.

Anyway, this thread will also be deleted, as it a TAAT (thread about a thread).

Just remember on MN you are not allowed to discuss reality. That should see you right for your next post.

What was the reason for deletion? Perhaps it’s possible to avoid another deletion if we slightly censor ourselves?

Just made a thread about the same thing.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4676217-it-totally-did-not-wander-off-topic

Thanks for the heads-up about deletion
It's quite alarming though, that a forum for adult women, discussing vital matters to their workplace and society can be shut down arbitrarily.
This is how people in authoritarian regimes must feel. Interesting experience.

Perhaps the points being made were too convincing.

females on mumsnet arguing facts and making sense.

TRA could not make logical arguments, so report the thread to have it deleted?

This was the message OP

Hi all,
This thread seems to have wandered off topic and we're not at all sure it's helping anyone so we are going to remove it.

I’ve become very aware of how I instinctively notice if someone is male or female.
Let’s face it, when a woman is walking home on a dark evening, she’s acutely aware of who is walking behind her and whether they’re likely to be a threat. Does this snap judgement sometimes involve prejudices or stereotypes? Yes, because that’s how the brain makes decisions quickly.

I try to be aware of any prejudices I might hold and challenge them (e.g. is a scruffy man walking along muttering to himself really more likely to be a threat than a man in a suit talking on his mobile?) but I can’t eliminate them completely, because they’re part of my survival instincts.

Do I ever read people’s sex incorrectly? Yes. But although I’m easily fooled by someone’s tiny, filtered online photo, I think I’m rarely fooled in real life. Something small, such as the way someone walks, will seem different and another glance (hopefully unnoticed) usually confirms the reason why.

It's always interesting wording they use.
Who do you think "we" are anyway?
Do you think there's a coven of MN mods all poised ready to delete risky threads and posts, or is it up to one random person at their own discretion what is and isn't permitted?

So true @Cattenberg

It’s a private forum, they can - and routinely do - delete threads for whatever reason they wish.

But, ‘we don’t think it’s helping anyone’ is not an acceptable reason. It was helping plenty of people who were able to make reasoned arguments based on facts.

It wasn’t helping people who believe the emperor’s wearing new clothes.

Yes, identifying someone's sex is pretty fundamental. It affects how we interact with them.
The experience of 'uncanny valley' when being expected to deny that is uncomfortable. It goes against the personal protective behaviours we develop to keep ourselves safe, as much as anything.

Oh, and gynaephillia is a thing.

Obviously meant to type autogynaephilia
Even my keyboard is censoring me this morning 😂

I have posted a quote on here numerous times and I make no apology for repeating it frequently.

”If freedom means anything at all it means being able to tell people things that they do not wish to hear. “
George Orwell.

females on mumsnet arguing facts and making sense
I hate this argument though.
"We're just females on Mumsnet, making sense!"
It feeds into a victim mentality which makes me uncomfortable on several levels
What, we can never be wrong or called out because we're just lil ol' mummies talking about prams, or cooking dinner!
Er, no.

Of course we can be wrong. If anyone can give a reasoned and truthful statement as to why I am wrong, I will accept it. I have yet to hear why women must be forced to call men by female pronouns just because those men want them to.

Seriously annoyed it disappeared. I was on page 1 of 3 and there were some interesting points.

You've got that the wrong way round. We can't have proper discussion about stuff because we should only be talking about prams and stuff.

What, we can never be wrong or called out because we're just lil ol' mummies talking about prams, or cooking dinner!
Er, no.

Can’t quite make out the point here. What do prams and cooking dinners have to do with anything?

This is something that I’ve thought about a lot. That instinctual warning. Because a few years back I was walking home alone and I noticed two men walking towards me on the same side of the street as me. No one else about.

I felt instantly uncomfortable, but then I challenged my thinking. Was I yearning to cross the road away from them because these men were black, in a very white area? That’s racist. Was I judging them on the basis of their clothes, which indicated a different social class to mine? That’s so snobby. Was it just that they were youngish men? That’s so ageist!

While I was thinking about all of this, they mugged me and stole my handbag.

Wish I’d been a lot less worried about hurting the muggers’ feelings and a lot faster at crossing the road and getting away from them.

Yes
Only important things get censored

Actually many are appalled that a bunch of mummies instead of discussing prams are now engaged in good old Second Wave consciousness -raising and getting radicalized!
More power to my Sisters!
This cranky Lesbian supports you!

I never said "we're just females" - you are adding words to suit your agenda, because you have nothing of value to add, so your only option is to try to twist words around.

I was making an observation.

Females aren't allowed to have a robust discussion because we're supposed to be kind, so TRAs report the thread to shut down discussion.

I actually find this chilling. Every time it happens, it makes me feel afraid. It's scary how easy it is for our rights and freedoms to be attacked.