'Misgendering' cannot be discussed?

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It seems we are not allowed to discuss this

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g There are a number of issues with people with GD having babies.
Women who have bound or crushed their breasts, take large doses of male hormones (even through pregnancy) and refuse to access maternity services unless they are treated like a man, are actually risking a great deal of potential harm to their babies. The current situation of helping them to become pregnant and not making annoying suggestions about prenatal health are irresponsible at best.
Men who want to mother babies, can and do, pay women to step aside once the birth is accomplished, with no regard for the rights of the mother or baby.
I remember being very upset hearing Jennie Murray on R4 Woman's Hour interview a male couple who paid a woman to have a baby for them, then insisted she have a c-section so they could observe without having to see any horrible female genitalia.

The overriding drive to pretend to be the opposite sex and to insist that everyone else indulges them, despite biological, medical or moral contrary concerns is another aspect of this 'misgendering' debacle. The victims are not considered worthy of care or respect and that is very wrong.

I wish health and happiness to every effeminite man or masculine woman. I would defend them in person against insults or harm.
But nobody gets to inflict a sex-transforming fantasy on everyone else regardless, like we are now seeing.

Past participles in French are gendered if they follow être. So it’s more obvious written down.

The French Wikipedia page for Mae Martin is a triumph in avoiding personal gender, and just uses impersonal word gender (so, adjectives matched with the word “personne” which could be anyone, rather than Mae). It’s also written in the present tense, even the things that happened in the past, to avoid the past participles. It’s clunky AF.

And obviously adjectives.

There are two Autistic children in the family.

Thankfully we haven't run into this situation yet, but when I do have to explain that someone they perceive as one sex would prefer a pretense that they are of the other sex, and language must be carefully staged and manipulated to enable this?

One may cope by being avoidant, they tend to shut down and withdraw. The other? The stress of coping with even the mildest misunderstanding in language for our literal girl that you said something that is not actually, factually correct and true, causes meltdowns, stress and anxiety. She cannot lie on demand, she cannot lie to 'be kind', she will not get undressed on demand in front of a child she will straight out say is a boy, this will never work for her. I dread it. And I dread the exclusion and anger and punishment she risks in trying to live in a world as a female who cannot make her first and only priority to enable males in any space she wishes to use. Where is the inclusivity and tolerance and be kind and bending over backwards to protect feelings for her and the many Autistic kids like her?

And that's aside from that every single girl deserves privacy, dignity, autonomy, and not to have to regard herself as a walking therapeutic resource for the master race for the crime of being born with female biology. All of them. Not just the Autistic ones, disabled ones, the ones with faiths and cultures, the ones with trauma and histories of abuse - God knows there are millions of those, but it's not just them. But a bit of reciprocal inclusiveness and some basic bloody capacity for human compassion would be a start.

This is not what we raise daughters for. We cannot order them on one hand 'you must believe that sex does not exist, no one knows what sex anyone else may be' while at the same time having to take them aside and tell them very quietly and in private, 'never, never say out loud that you are a biological female or you want to be homosexual because this will get you into terrible trouble because of hurting the feelings of those born with penises, and yes, you have to SAY that sex isn't a thing but in actual fact darling, you were born without a penis and that means you're a walking therapeutic resource commanded to serve anyone with a penis who claims the magic words to require your service. Pretend. Pretend you can't see. Pretend you don't know. Say the words, yes I know they're lies but say them anyway or you'll get into trouble. And yes I know you really don't want to go to school and undress in front of this person with a penis and it's awful that you have to but his penis gives him a social power over you and mummy may lose her job unless she tells you to shut up and do. And be traumatised quietly. And welcome to the fucking awful shitty burden of being born female in this world.'

A burden incidentally never dumped upon ANY male regardless of the degree of transition. Because it's sex based.

This

It feeds into a victim mentality which makes me uncomfortable on several levels

I’m cracking up that this poster, a TRA, is claiming to be uncomfortable with victim mentality. Why are you even here, shouldn’t you be trying to heal a fatally misgendered person with the power of your righteous tears?

(Also note the forced teaming in that post.)

@nilsmousehammer yes, absolutely so

100% this. It’s a safeguarding issue for autism, women and other vulnerable groups. I have a DS and have been building up over months good boundaries, such as privacy, appropriateness, which are totally undermined by these ill thought out ideologies.

Fucking brilliant. I'm standing, giving you an ovation.

Especially, "...every single girl deserves privacy, dignity, autonomy, and not to have to regard herself as a walking therapeutic resource for the master race for the crime of being born with female biology. All of them. Not just the Autistic ones, disabled ones, the ones with faiths and cultures, the ones with trauma and histories of abuse - God knows there are millions of those, but it's not just them. But a bit of reciprocal inclusiveness and some basic bloody capacity for human compassion would be a start."

@nilsmousehammer

Excellent post. It should be copied to every organisation and employer and school and charity and voluntary organisation that has signed up to the BS of genderism. Thank you.

From an earlier post where Teakup talks about accidentally misgendering transgender people luckily they're not twats about it

That's what it boils down to really. Making 'misgendering' a crime would be, on a societal level, being massive twats because most people will struggle where there are single exceptions to general pronoun rules. Essentially it would be a 'burn the witch' crime where women could be thrown in jail for wrongthink because everyone would be misgendering all the time and the police couldn't cope if everyone got arrested so it'd just be an excuse to arrest uppity women.

We're used to everyone having a different name - that's how our language is structured. Pronouns are meant to reflect large classes of people and it's very difficult - a huge mental load - to go against normal sex-based usage.

It's a very big ask, and people will get it wrong.

I recently was involved with a role play game (don't judge) with a number of other women, a friend set it up and she was the only one I knew. Some of the other women there were very into trans rights as a quick chat at the start showed (I didn't get into a debate about it as it was a one off and I decided life was too short). We had to make up characters - these were non human characters like dwarves or dragons. Several of the women created characters who were non-binary they/them. Even when playing this game with non-human fictional characters that they'd explicitly created as non-binary and as full supporters of gender ideology they kept on using he/him or she/her by accident (they'd clearly assigned - a correct usage for once - a sex to their characters unconsciously - they never switched between he/him or she/her, each character clearly had a sex). It was quite unintentionally hilarious. But if you can't manage it even in that situation the chances of managing it real life are zero.

WhatsApp emojis have options for pregnant men. This is an absurd attempt to normalise men trying to have women's bodies.
There's also one on men in wedding dresses and veils, but that's just silly.

Are there any WhatsApp emoji’s for pregnant women with short hair?

@Signalbox Of course not! Women don’t have short hair! They only have long hair. That’s how everyone else knows that this person identifies as a woman.

@Signalbox The one with the blue top is pregnant with short hair