Munroe Bergdorf has a Glamour Woman of the Year award

[AngeloMysterioso]

GLAMOUR and UOMA Beauty's Beauty Game-Changer of the year apparently.

Guess they couldn’t find any actual women deserving of the accolade… wonder how hard they looked?

Shame that MB and other ultra-feminine Transwomen don't try to push the bandwidth of what being a man means, like Marilyn, Boy George (yuk), Marc Almond, David Sylvian, David Bowie, Leigh Bowery and Divine did, in their different ways. Instead they steal words and awards from women, while actively expressing hate towards us.

This.

So a male with extreme plastic surgery has won a glamour award?

And people remain shocked by the announcement that there is one group of 18 year olds getting pre-emotive Botox so they don’t get wrinkles.

And that there is another group of teen girls saying they are boys.

And a male with extreme plastic surgery is deigned the most glamourous of all?

Our teenagers are being told their worth in decisions like this and we are supposed to celebrate it. Fuck off.

I despise this cretin.

I remember, a year or so ago when the FT listed them as one of their women of the year.

Definitely, just had my first ever deleted post! Speaking facts is against MN guidelines apparently.

All. Of. This!

Having your face peeled off and completely reshaped should mean that you are ‘gorgeous’. Isn’t that the aim?

Woman of the Year? It has to be Mahsa Amini (posthumously) for me. The fact that Glamour awarded it to Bergdorf just tells me how shallow and pointless the award is. Best ignored.

I think the deletions have mostly (if not all) been for 'misgendering' . Best to just avoid pronouns tbh.

Didn't know compelled speech was a feature of the MN Talk Guidelines!

I was deleted fairly sharpish. They seem to be waiting in the wings on the FWR board, whereas on other topics it takes ages.
Also, I don't think I mentioned pronouns, but said something about the extremes of plastic surgery. I don't think it was offensive...at least I don't think it was as offensive as a person cheating to win an award they are not eligible for and basking in praise for pretending to be something they aren't - but hey, I'm just a regular woman, so my opinion doesn't matter.

But that’s not the question I asked. I didn’t ask why Bergdorf talking about race was interesting or why it resonates. I asked how you can believe it. Bergdorf is prepared to make stuff up about themselves in order to elevate Bergdorf’s standing. Why wouldn’t Bergdorf do this with race as well?

Or are you saying because the race part is something you’re interested in it means you feel no need to challenge the veracity of any of it?

When a male tells me they’re a woman, I cease to take anything they say to be true at face value. If they told me they had toast for breakfast I would raise an eyebrow. So you say when Bergdorf spoke about being mixed race it resonated, but how do you know any of it was real?

But that’s not the question I asked. I didn’t ask why Bergdorf talking about race was interesting or why it resonates. I asked how you can believe it.

I answered that it depends on your worldview. Her experiences of being mixed race resonate with my own of being mixed race. Not every mixed race person will have the same view or experiences of it.

Bergdorf is prepared to make stuff up about themselves in order to elevate Bergdorf’s standing. Why wouldn’t Bergdorf do this with race as well?

I don't doubt many people make stuff up about the various parts of their identity to push another agenda but what she said about being mixed race - in one particular interview (granted I haven't seen everything she's ever said about race), resonated with me.

Or are you saying because the race part is something you’re interested in it means you feel no need to challenge the veracity of any of it?

Again, mixed race people all have different experiences of our cultures and racial makeup. I do find myself interrogating a lot of what people say about the mixed experience but again I cannot challenge the 'veracity' of a mixed race person saying they for example were not accepted by either their white or black side because there is no universal fact-based science on the experiences of mixed people. I would sound rather bigoted telling someone who explains their experiences of racism that it didn't really happen because it never happened to me or that there is no scientific paper that quantifies their experience.

Didn't know compelled speech was a feature of the MN Talk Guidelines!

Not exactly... you don't have to actually mis-sex anyone.

Fucking THIS!!!

All those influencers who go on about how terrible it is that young women feel such pressure to look like flawless bow up dolls, are the exact same people who cheer on Munroe and celebrate Munroe winning women's 'beauty' awards.

It's fucked up hypocrisy.

Vladamir perhaps you missed it but I posted upthread about Bergdorf and race, who was dropped by L'Oreal and then "stepped down" from a Labour post.

Does it sound bigoted to say that:

white people’s "entire existence is drenched in racism".

?

Here's the source:

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/controversial-race-row-model-munroe-bergdorf-resigns-as-lgbt-advisor-to-labour

I answered that it depends on your worldview. Her experiences of being mixed race resonate with my own of being mixed race. Not every mixed race person will have the same view or experiences of it.

So because your worldview is to be interested in race you don’t worry about truth, as long as it resonates?

I don't doubt many people make stuff up about the various parts of their identity to push another agenda but what she said about being mixed race - in one particular interview (granted I haven't seen everything she's ever said about race), resonated with me.

Again, Bergdorf has made up something pretty fundamental about themselves. Doesn’t that set off alarm bells? But because it resonated with you, you don’t have any alarm bells?

I do find myself interrogating a lot of what people say about the mixed experience

But you don’t feel the need with Bergdorf. Why? What was so convincing about how Bergdorf told this part of their lives that is any different to how Bergdorf emphatically tells us Bergdorf is a woman?

I would sound rather bigoted telling someone who explains their experiences of racism that it didn't really happen because it never happened to me or that there is no scientific paper that quantifies their experience.

So even though Bergdorf emphatically tells us something that can be objectively shown to be not true - that Bergdorf is a woman - it’s perfectly reasonable to believe something Bergdorf tells us that is completely subjective?

That makes no sense to me. If someone so blatantly defies objective reality then any subjective reality they describe would be instantly less believable. If someone concurs with objective reality I’m much more inclined to believe their descriptions of other aspects of their existence.

@ResisterRex To me no it doesn't but I knew when those words were uttered the show was absolutely over. Thing is when you live in a country which was built on the slave labour of your ancestors, when your country of origin was enslaved and your ancestors were subjugated and treated as subhuman it does have affect on you. When people naively or oftentimes conveniently think racism is of a bygone era but for some odd reason people who look like you are more likely to end up dead during childbirth, arrested/harassed by authorities or when you go for countless interviews and are told you are lovely but 'wouldn't be a good fit' it does make you wonder. Even small things like when your friends want to plan a weekend getaway but then you remember the destination would render you in a very awkward position where you'd be the 'only black' in the whole village thus the holiday would be less relaxing and more anxiety inducing. The thing is even at work when they do their D&I initiatives in October I tend to just smile and nod because offering up my opinion would render me jobless and I have quite a penchant for Chanel And that small matter of having young black nieces who from a scarily early age hated their blackness and wanted to be more like 'the blonde barbie' because in their eyes nothing about them was regarded as pretty.

You're American, Vladimir? Munroe's British.

Oh ffs

Yes! 👏👏👏