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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling hits out at first feminist Sturgeon

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JanieAllen · 11/11/2022 09:37

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-hits-out-at-first-feminist-sturgeon-over-trans-laws-2tz8mj386

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Jaffacakeorisitabiscuit · 11/11/2022 23:16

But do the pyjamas have burgundy and blue stripes or kittens and unicorns. I'm guilty of wearing my DDad's old pyjamas. They have stripes. The pyjama bottoms have a fly opening too. I'm concerned.

WandaWomblesaurus · 12/11/2022 00:50

Oh my god you lot why are you constantly focusing on the negatives???!!!

You could be focusing on

  1. Rainbows
  2. Glitter
  3. Glitter beards
  4. Blue hair
  5. Pink and blue hair
  6. Rainbow shoelaces
  7. Rainbow flags
  8. Pride Months and Months
  9. Unicorn rainbow cake
10. Glittergirlwilly!

You bigoted old crone spelling nazis.

TerfranosaurusVagina · 12/11/2022 00:54

WandaWomblesaurus · 12/11/2022 00:50

Oh my god you lot why are you constantly focusing on the negatives???!!!

You could be focusing on

  1. Rainbows
  2. Glitter
  3. Glitter beards
  4. Blue hair
  5. Pink and blue hair
  6. Rainbow shoelaces
  7. Rainbow flags
  8. Pride Months and Months
  9. Unicorn rainbow cake
10. Glittergirlwilly!

You bigoted old crone spelling nazis.

Pride is taking over the entire freaking calender. We need some inclusivity here for Straight people. We're feeling marginalised.

TerfranosaurusVagina · 12/11/2022 00:55

And I'm beginning to think Peppa Pig was onto something when all the adults kept Glitter locked away in bank vaults.

FrancescaContini · 12/11/2022 08:13

Never mind rainbow shoelaces, I am still trying to work out what a run-of-the-mill boy is (hyphenated for clarity, otherwise readers might wonder what a “mill boy” is, and why he is running). I’ll ask my DDs if they know any.

risefromyourgrave · 12/11/2022 08:38

FrancescaContini · 12/11/2022 08:13

Never mind rainbow shoelaces, I am still trying to work out what a run-of-the-mill boy is (hyphenated for clarity, otherwise readers might wonder what a “mill boy” is, and why he is running). I’ll ask my DDs if they know any.

I suppose my DS went from a ‘trans kid’ to a ‘run-of-the-mill boy.’ I know which one he’s happier as…..

FacebookPhotos · 12/11/2022 08:54

Pyjamas. I am a woman and pyjamas are a very important part of my life.

Can I veto that please? I’m a woman and don’t wear pyjamas. Nightgown (over joggers if it is really cold) is the best option for bed.

JanieAllen · 12/11/2022 09:00

I'd love a list of 'how to be a woman' because I think I've been really shit at it. Not only do I not wear high heels make up nail polish... not interested in promoting men, housework....

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FacebookPhotos · 12/11/2022 09:08

Can I put “watches rugby” on the list for being a woman? I absolutely love it, even though England lost this morning.

Moonatics · 12/11/2022 09:15

Freespirit42 · 11/11/2022 20:48

Nobody in the trans community believes that psychological help is conversion therapy. Obv if the psychologist has an agenda that kids can’t be trans before they meet said kid yes that’s conversion therapy but exploring it is fine in fact many trans people think more help is needed

I cannot think of the names right now, but there were plenty in the trans community who were clearly not happy about therapy. They made themselves very clear on Twitter and similar.

You keep mentioning trans kids. How do we know which are going to persist? Once the damage is done is too late. Detransitioning after blockers, hormones and surgery will still leave a person reliant on drugs, more surgery to reverse as far as possible what was done, and as we know blockers can have a very detrimental effect that cannot ever be fixed.
What then happens to these detrans?
So many questions, never any answers.

How many who will regret should be put on the pathway to justify those who dont regret yet?
Give us a number and we can discuss it.

cigiwi · 12/11/2022 09:47

Freespirit42 · 11/11/2022 20:52

Fine but then fail to say that there are trans kids because there are etc that’s the thing look at negatives but you guys never look at the positives though

There is some disagreement, it seems, about whether there are any trans children.

(Of course ...) The answer depends on what we take "trans child" to mean.

If a trans child is a child who (1) wishes he or she were the opposite sex, or, being a boy, thinks he's a girl, or, being a girl, thinks she may be a boy ... and so on ... or thinks he or she has a gender identity that may or not somehow tally with his or her sex ... then there certainly are trans children.

If, on the other hand, a trans child is a child who (2), born a girl, is actually now a boy, or, born male is actually female ... and so on ... or a child who actually posseses a gender identity that in some unspecified manner fails to match his or her sex ... then, equally certainly, there are no trans children.

Too often people seem to try to argue from the fact that there are trans children in sense (1) to the conclusion that we should treat such children as though they were trans in sense (2). That's nonsense, of course. Dangerous nonsense.

If, then, indeed we are to take it that there are, in fact, trans children, we are forced willy-nilly to take "trans child" in sense (1), given that there are no such children in sense (2). This then debars us from treating such children so badly as by giving them puberty blockers etc.

This is all clear enough, or so it seems to me. I wonder, hence, at the motivation of those who, apparently failing to understand, advocate - effectively - sterilisation or similar harmful treatment of children. Deliberately disingenuity in pursuit of some personal nefarious agenda? Or just fucking stupidity?

Brefugee · 12/11/2022 10:07

Why do you guys focus so much on negatives?

how about @Freespirit42 gives us a list of the positives. Not only for the individual trans people (and stop with Georgia Stone - aren't there any more? I mean if TERFs are being accused of Genocide, there must me more than a handful of trans people, right)

ArabellaScott · 12/11/2022 10:10

MargaritaPie · 11/11/2022 23:05

"Trans women already have legal access to toilets and other safe spaces. It's covered under the equality act..."

Correct

Where did you get this table of disinformation and misinformation from, Marg?

Happylittlechicken · 12/11/2022 11:51

@MargaritaPie of course TW have legal access to toilets and other safe spaces. No one is banning any male from using male facilities.

VestofAbsurdity · 12/11/2022 13:59

Feysriana · 11/11/2022 23:13

Pyjamas. I am a woman and pyjamas are a very important part of my life.

Ah but do you have girly pillow fights with your girl friends whilst wearing said pyjamas? Also at least one of you needs to be wearing baby doll pyjamas.

If no, then sorry you are failing badly as are your girl friends.

nilsmousehammer · 12/11/2022 14:22

I have to say I am so very disappointed by the lack of girly pillow fights in scanty baby doll nightwear in women's spaces. Although I suppose they'd make getting to the sinks and hand dryers tricky. No one ever borrows each others lipstick either, or stands around complimenting each other in front of the mirrors, or showing each other how to use tampons. Tis all very boringly mundane.

What a shame we don't actually all live in male sexual fantasy world.

VestofAbsurdity · 12/11/2022 14:32

I know @nilsmousehammer no special feather pillows that would burst aesthetically during the fights so we would be framed beautifully and sensually in a cloud of fluttering feathers - such a crushing disappointment.

DameMaud · 12/11/2022 14:45

Unsure33 · 11/11/2022 17:46

I would really recommend spending 10 mins to listen to the speech by Renee Girlich on womens voices . It really opened my eyes and I can’t claim to understand all of it but is is I think part of the puzzle .

soundcloud.com/womenreadwomen/international-womens-day-speech-by-renee-gerlich

if you agree please share .

Thank you for this @Unsure33 .

RealFeminist · 12/11/2022 14:59

IF PILLOWS ARE NOT INSTALLED IN TOILETS WE CAN USE TAMPONS JUST LIKE THAT FEMINIST FILLUM

Boomboom22 · 12/11/2022 16:04

I think free spirit means well, it just hasn't realised the medical tech isn't there.

FrancescaContini · 12/11/2022 21:00

“Baby doll” pyjamas 🤮

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