US woman sues after 'gender affirming' double mastectomy

[ArabellaScott]

'The defendants 'transgressed the bounds of socially tolerable conduct by abusing their positions of trust and authority' by recommending 'unnecessary, irreversible treatment' without weighing Kiefel's mental problems, says the complaint.

Because of the surgery, Kiefel must endure a 'lifelong inability ever to choose to breastfeed a child' and doubts she will ever find a 'life partner sexually and romantically attracted to a woman without breasts,' it adds.

Kiefel has called for a jury trial and seeks up to $850,000 in damages.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11399015/Oregon-woman-sues-trans-care-team-abhorrent-misdiagnosis-left-MUTILATED.html

Brace yourselves. The lawsuits are starting.

Trying to imagine what a conversation would be like between a gender-dysphoric patient and a doctor that actually followed that model of informed consent.

This is what gets me really angry. Informed consent is not optional, it is absolutely required. I would suspect that there are a small number of trans people who have been able to give proper consent to surgery - this is the group I think of when people talk about “genuinely trans” people. But I don’t think there are many, and very few indeed in recent years.

Informed consent to cut off body parts which are perfectly healthy is incredibly difficult to get. The benefits have to be crystal clear, as do the risks. Even for things like transplants where there is no inherent MH concern. The consent stuff for even low-risk transplants (eg bone marrow donation) is huge, and every single HCP involved in the process is obsessed with it!

Yes, but I'm having difficulty understanding why a medically trained person would just believe in people being 'really trans' and treating them as though they are 'really trans' without an objective diagnosis that they are 'really trans'. Is there a way of making such a diagnosis? Because with the number of detransitioners rising, it seems that the diagnoses are not always accurate.

Or are surgeons now just amputating body parts from healthy people because they share that person's belief that people can be 'really trans' if the person who believes themself to be 'really trans' says they are?

Isn't that an issue with the cuerent process? No HCP seems to have/take responsibility. Therapist refers to endocrinologist, they refer to surgeon, surgeon cuts the body parts off. With whom does the buck stop?

@OldCrone I think for some medics it's between the devil and deep blue sea. Don't agree to do it and the threats then emerge
: get struck off for hateful/discrimination

• be temp suspended while complaint investigated
• be doxxed and have your clinic/home attacked by 'activists'

-have your children/family threatened for being related to you

Just look at the hate and behaviour towards JKR.

I agree with you. These are often young adults or teenagers who are giving themselves a label that can’t be explained in an objective way that all medical professionals would understand.

Your parallel with people who feel as if they wish to end their lives is bleak but very apt; we could also apply the self labelling (self diagnosed from TikTok etc) and subsequent affirmation by so-called medics and parents of teenagers who say:

I’m addicted to junk food and will only eat McDonald’s every day - do we let them do this?

I’m a porn addict so take away those Internet parental controls - are we happy about this?

I’m a gambler so I’m off to Vegas with all my pocket money - do we allow this?!

I’m an alcoholic and will fill my bedroom with vodka bottles - do we go along with this?

Hell would freeze over before any responsible parent who cared deeply for their child would “affirm” in these scenarios (exaggerated of course) and go along with what the child demanded.

So why in the context of “the trans child” have so many parents and other adults in trusted positions of responsibility and with years of education and training behind them taken leave of their senses (thinking of the repulsive grinning Irish “surgeon” in LA who gives teenage girls mastectomies) and allowed the child/young person to take control? What is WRONG with the adults who have affirmed a child’s self diagnosis?

That accountability gap was revealed in the UK system, iirc.

Therapists seemed to pass patients over to endocrinologists, endocrinologists seemed to think therapists had 'approved' patients.

Surgeon just removes body parts as directed.

Nobody takes responsibility.

So why in the context of “the trans child” have so many parents and other adults in trusted positions of responsibility and with years of education and training behind them taken leave of their senses (thinking of the repulsive grinning Irish “surgeon” in LA who gives teenage girls mastectomies) and allowed the child/young person to take control? What is WRONG with the adults who have affirmed a child’s self diagnosis?

They've been told, repeatedly, 'better a trans child than a dead child' or words to that effect.

Call me cynical, but it will be the American insurers over there who stop the trans surgery shitshow and the NHS over here, when the bill gets too high. A transman or woman who has undergone full surgery and hormones are on a cocktail of drugs for life. I think that even if they detransition, they still need medical support to counteract the damage done (e.g. osteoporosis in a transman).

It's a moneypit and I've heard it being referred to as a 'medical leash'. Imagine if one of the detrans children sues for medical malpractice for lifelong costs to cover their continued treatment? Or a class action suit? If they win, no insurer will agree to cover a doctor for that form of treatment again.

Isn't it funny how lack of sharing of information and unwillingness of professionals to take responsibility in multi agency working is one of the biggest and most infamous bottom lines in pretty much every safeguarding disaster?

Odd how these patterns get replicated and the failures just keep on stacking higher.

I think the issue lies with the decline of medical ethics as medicine and surgery become transactional - more about 'big business' or simply 'business' and less about curing people. This ties in with a (neo)liberal obsession with rights and liberty over the person at the expense of all else. "I want therefore I pay and I get".

The below videos are about the for profit surgery industry. These examples don't touch on gender surgeries but all the same questions are being asked re ethics.

At some point these MSM shows will go there with the investigation of gender surgeons also. It's just a question of time I reckon.

Warning: graphic content in places.