Woman harassed in women's bathroom by a gender critical woman who thinks she is trans, she is upset by the experience.

[MargaritaPie]

twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1586295024672808961

Oh and the term CIS is a load of shit -woman will do.

"usually middle aged GC followers"

What ageist claptrap.

Why is so much of this thread a Thread About A Thread (TAAT)?? 🤔

The Berkshire Police Appeal thread is here - if this carries on then there is a risk that it will deleted by Mumsnet as a de facto TAAT:

Can you help Berkshire Transport Police?
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4664230-can-you-help-berkshire-transport-police

On the actual OP:

The video is really weird because the conversation sounds scripted - on second thoughts, improv based on "show an example of . . " or "imagine you (blah bah) and you imagine (blah blah)".

The woman who is being harassed and doing the filming sounds incredibly stilted, like a bad actor reading lines for the first time.

What the other woman, the harasser, says is plain weird. She says, "It's a boy, it's a boy, a child!"

OK - if a child, why does she pursue the matter? Then:

"I have gotten called out several times for being in the Men's Room, so you are going to be called out for whatever you're doing. So what are you identifying as today?"

Er, what??? We are supposed to believe that the harasser is a woman who has persistently been going into the Men's Toilets? Not only that, but that she has continued to do so despite being called out? And that this bizarre behaviour makes her feel justified in "calling out" this other woman, who she supposedly thinks is a child of the male type who also varies identity from day to day? Why would she think that of a perfect stranger? A perfect stranger who (from the follow-up videos) is also very obviously female and equally obviously not a child.

At that point I was thinking, mmmm, maybe bullied-lass wasn't trying to remember her lines, maybe this is improv and she was struggling to sound natural, while bully-woman is pulling of a "sound bullying". instruction OK but the cognitive load is too great for her to also construct coherent thoughts and what comes out of her mouth is gibberish.

There are "follow up" videos on bullied-lass's TikTok channel. She speaks perfectly naturally in them and does not seem at all distressed by her traumatic ordeal. She looks and sounds unmistakably female and appears to be wearing regular make-up. It would be a stretch to call her androgynous.

She gives a detailed explanation of what occurred before and after she entered The Ladies in the Casino, where they had stopped the car for her to use the toilets because she had severe stomach cramps (period pains?) then:

> before going to the loo she gave her boyfriend "20 bucks" to amuse himself gambling because she "always takes a long time to piss" (if this is real, lady, leave him in the crèche next time and walk away!)

> but he decided not to gamble and instead hung around outside the Toilets waiting for her

> with the Security Guard who had been called by Bully-Woman and Bully-Woman's husband even before Bullied-Lass went into The Ladies

> when she came out Bully-Woman's Husband tried to reason with Bully-Woman but had no luck and Security escorted Bully-Woman away

> then Bullied-Lass made an official complaint to the Casino and it has banned Bully-Woman from the premises.

Maybe this is real but it honestly comes over like a role-play homework assignment from the sort of "Anti-Bullying" courses that have been running in schools. It is bugging me that I cannot remember which one it is that includes a workbook of activities and a video of two burly men bullying a TW in The Gents and then a couple of kind schoolgirls offer comfort and an invitation to use The Ladies.

Final thoughts . . . is the harasser play-acting being a TW who has supposedly been "called out" going into The Gents? A woman would not persistently use The Gents but it is perfectly conceivable that a TW would. Their "calling out" would demonstrate how unfair it is to make TW use The Gents. Then the TW supposedly taking it out on a woman in The Ladies - who we are supposed to believe could be mistaken for a young man and then later a boy-child. However, the scenario of Bully-TW makes as little sense as Bully-Woman when you add in all the other part of the story.

There is too much that does not make sense and the "harassment" video comes over as staged so I am going with some sort of improv.

If you watch the first video in the tweet then it is definitely worth watching the follow-up videos on TikTok as well.

Why is so much of this thread a Thread About A Thread (TAAT)?? 🤔

Because the other thread carries a strong recent example of the OP’s interpretation of reality that is worth bearing in mind when interpreting this one.

The Berkshire Police Appeal thread is here - if this carries on then there is a risk that it will deleted by Mumsnet as a de facto TAAT

Meh.

Yes, considering it was first disseminated by KM, my guess is the video is fake and staged. The TRAs are getting pretty desperate now; Tavistock closed, Mermaids under investigation, the outrage over that teacher in Canada, more and more and more women are starting to say they now see what is going on and the dangers behind 'TWAW'.... they're are getting extremely desperate and I would honestly put 10 years of my salary and my house on top of it that this video was staged by the TRAs to make GCs look bad. 10 years salary plus my quarter of an acre detached 3 bedroom home on it that this didn't happen, it was a staged desperate dirty attempt to smear GCs.

I’m with you there @JennyNotFromTheBlock

I had the same impression as Bosky that the video doesn't really make sense.

The bully certainly isn't putting forward GC arguments. She accuses the girl of being a child (why would that matter?). She also tells her to go back to her bedroom to figure out which gender she is today (implying that if she clearly identified as a girl then being in the ladies would be OK)

The bully says she gw

The bully says she gets called out all the time for using the men's, so this is her calling the girl out. A GC viewpoint would be about calling her out for not being female.

It really doesn't make sense.

And why doesn't the girl just say she's a girl? Refusing to say is political.

The video isn't very clear at all. The woman did have something "off"
about her manner and questioning, but what we didn't see is the "cis woman". The second video is too dark. I challenged a man recently trying to enter a bisexual and lesbian event and he point blank insisted he was a "cis female". Over and over again he said it in a weird fake high voice, though it was clearly a lie. I refused him entry. I'm suspicious of the language use here by both of them.

I may be overly cynical, but this is the first ever thread on this board I have seen in trending threads…. And it’s something that is anti GC and doesn’t even seem that busy. When the EI or mermaids threads were very active, they never appeared in trending….

What's a CIS woman? Is that just a woman?

Well this is it though. Trans individuals should stick to using their biological sex toilets, maybe then incidents like this wouldn't happen.

I think it’s a woman who is part of the Construction Industry Scheme for subcontractors, but how would @MargaritaPie know? Did she have her CSCS card dangling from a lanyard?

This is the fault of men. A minority, but significant number of them are a problem for women, hence needing female only spaces where women are vulnerable, and women policing who goes in female only spaces, and sometimes getting it badly wrong. It's the fault of all those disgusting men.

If the woman still has a penis then she's a man and should be using the men's toilets.

It is but also the men who don't stand up to this happening. Men should be standing with women to protect their safe spaces, sports etc.

I think it’s a woman who is part of the Construction Industry Scheme for subcontractors, but how would @MargaritaPie know? Did she have her CSCS card dangling from a lanyard?

😂😂 maybe @MargaritaPie could clarify...

No woman has a penis. Not one. Ever. Only males have penises. Women are female

My 'best guess' interpretation is that they are all TRAs either deliberately making fake news, or as bosky more generously suggests making a training video for their young followers (with a side-helping of righteous victimhood for extra motivation)

I think the 'bully' actress is confused about what she's meant to be challenging. She doesn't really understand that what some GC people object to is people of the wrong sex in women's toilets. Instead, she's been told that we just hate Trans people. So she has a general rant against general Trans stuff (the 'victim' actress changing gender) but gives herself away by using TRA language and insisting on knowing what the 'victim's' gender is today rather than her sex 🙄 Oh and maybe the reason she throws in the random 'child' ranting is because she's also been told that we're old and look down on youngsters.

Having the security guard waiting outside is really jumping the shark!

Pretty poor effort. B-

Video is obviously staged so creatingjayrose can get more tiktok followers. That is my initial reaction when first viewing this footage.

If it were real, she'd have filmed the woman's face.

She only lives 5 minutes away from the casino - why would someone with cramps drive to a casino to use the toilets, when they were very close to their own toilets? I know myself and my daughters - home toilets would be where it's more comfortable with cramps/ period or gastro issues.

The woman was quite loud - so why didn't security enter when she was raising her voice? Because the people's legs & shoes filmed outside weren't security?

Also - was she "using" a disabled toilet cubicle, as it seemed rather large compared to the other cubicles. Surely someone who recently cut their hair short, isn't considered disabled?

OP, please STOP using the language of the cult. Woman is the only word needed. Colin/Katy is a well known mysoginist social media stirrer and Jonathan/India is similarly unhinged bile spouting right wingliar too. Both of these men can't stand women and will use the oxygen of social media publicity to fuel their profile. Women are women.

That video looks entirely staged to me. Neither face is visible. The rant is text book. The responses seem odd. I would bet a LOT of money that this was an enactment.

^ This. We didn't used to have to worry about who was in the women's loos or changing rooms.

That looks wrong! We used not to ... probably better.

I thought the video was fake for a number of reasons. Plus the so-called cis woman, who frankly is a woman with very short hair, looks like a woman. What a load of crap.