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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard

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ColdstreamAnnie · 27/10/2022 20:31

I don't want to pity Eddie but I felt a wave of sadness after reading that Rosie Duffield (MP) said she would rather be arrested than refer to Eddie as a woman.

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lifeturnsonadime · 29/10/2022 12:26

Sorry Datun I meant to say I agree with you.

Abhannmor · 29/10/2022 12:40

He can 'return to bring a boy' by wearing flat shoes. No such luck for this old geezer.

rabbitwoman · 29/10/2022 12:57

Of course @datun and @lifeturnsonadime ,you are frighteningly correct.

What I mean is, is he even capable of understanding why this is so egregious to so many of us?

He has been cheered on and affirmed all his life and it seems to me the underlying trauma which accompanies so many of these transgender identities has remained completely unexplored because of it.

And laser like wit and intelligence often hones in on one area, leaving someone incapable of even contemplating anything outside of that sphere despite being an absolute expert within it - also common alongside transgender identities.

Being a very funny man requires a very different set of skills from being a politian, but Eddie is well known, dazzling to some and oh so progressive, right!?

I don't think he is at all equipped for a downfall. He won't even see it coming.

Datun · 29/10/2022 12:57

lifeturnsonadime · 29/10/2022 12:26

Sorry Datun I meant to say I agree with you.

Yes. To me it's fairly obvious that he knows what he's doing.

And I agree with the disappointment. It's rare that a comedian can be as original as he was. His 'Lego' schtick was a delight.

It's soo lowering that he, in my opinion, centres himself just as much as all these other men do. To the massive detriment of women everywhere. For someone who appeared so aware, his self obsession is depressing. It's like, are there any men on the planet he don't do this, whether identifying as a woman or not??

For someone who was so original, he's so unutterably commonplace after all.

Datun · 29/10/2022 12:58

rabbitwoman · 29/10/2022 12:57

Of course @datun and @lifeturnsonadime ,you are frighteningly correct.

What I mean is, is he even capable of understanding why this is so egregious to so many of us?

He has been cheered on and affirmed all his life and it seems to me the underlying trauma which accompanies so many of these transgender identities has remained completely unexplored because of it.

And laser like wit and intelligence often hones in on one area, leaving someone incapable of even contemplating anything outside of that sphere despite being an absolute expert within it - also common alongside transgender identities.

Being a very funny man requires a very different set of skills from being a politian, but Eddie is well known, dazzling to some and oh so progressive, right!?

I don't think he is at all equipped for a downfall. He won't even see it coming.

He'll put it down to transphobia. He has to.

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 13:17

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MarshaBradyo · 29/10/2022 13:24

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Those terms are fairly reprehensible

He’s a middle aged man. He has nothing in common with a girl.

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 13:24

Indeed. And that is what he calls it himself.

MarshaBradyo · 29/10/2022 13:25

Yes should have put the onus on him in that post.

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 13:26

I knew what you meant @MarshaBradyo Smile

derxa · 29/10/2022 14:05

twitter.com/LucyMPowell/status/1585955683492503552
The shaming needs to stop apparently

TheClogLady · 29/10/2022 14:13

Lucy Powell has a non-trans TRA working in her Constituency office.

Interesting to see Sharron’s reply is getting more likes than Lucy’s original tweet. People have had enough (and we might be able to get a proper gauge of the true opinions amongst Twitter users now that Elon Musk has fired some of the top brass).

To feel incredibly sorry for Eddie Izzard
Asdavaluesausage · 29/10/2022 14:20

I have about as much sympathy for EI as he has towards the women and girls he’s insulting.

PoseyFlump · 29/10/2022 14:46

derxa · 29/10/2022 14:05

twitter.com/LucyMPowell/status/1585955683492503552
The shaming needs to stop apparently

What the hell are Labour doing? They've made it impossible to vote for them.

At least there's some comfort in the comments. The tide has turned for the majority but these fools at the top have just not got the memo.

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 14:51

Why did I get deleted? For calling EI with he pronouns when EI says he/she is happy with them or for calling him an attention seeker opportunist?

genuinely inteterested to know.

nilsmousehammer · 29/10/2022 15:01

The 'shaming needs to stop'

Yeah it probably will when the shameful and offensive behaviour stops. Cause and effect tends to work that way.

Baldieheid · 29/10/2022 15:49

Shame in some contexts is good, it's part of our social structure, isn't it? Shame for theft, for example. How many times are we told " the defendent feels real contrition" in court cases. Is there contrition without shame?

But no, I'll never feel shame at saying a man is always a man, and will never be a woman. To say that, that's just stupid.

lifeturnsonadime · 29/10/2022 15:57

He'll put it down to transphobia. He has to.

Yes he will and the fact that he is enabled in doing so by the likes of the Labour Party is how he has the power.

TheClogLady · 29/10/2022 15:58

A bit more shame is probably required at this point, judging by the Man in Gimp Suit thread and the one
about the Canadian teacher with the ginormous silicone bosom.

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 16:13

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 14:51

Why did I get deleted? For calling EI with he pronouns when EI says he/she is happy with them or for calling him an attention seeker opportunist?

genuinely inteterested to know.

Still looking for an explanation tbh. i used the words girl mode and boy mode, but Ei used them in relation to 'their' self first.

Honestly confused why my comment was deleted.

Heavens it's a right minefield trying to work around hurty feelz isn't it. 'Coz someone clearly reported me.

PoseyFlump · 29/10/2022 16:25

I didn't see your comment @OrangePumpkinLobelia Did you make it clear you was quoting EI?

ShutYerYapAndGetOnWithIt · 29/10/2022 16:27

Eddie Izzard is a bloke in a frock. Even if he were to have extensive surgery and hormones, he'll always be a man. Chromosomes determine gender and thus cannot be changed

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 29/10/2022 16:33

i used the terms girl mode and boy mode (which are the terms EI uses) and said that he was a just another self promoting opportunist who used whatever he wanted for his own benefit. (paraphrasing now as i cannot recall the exact term).

I was not misgendering either because EI says he is relaxed about pronouns. So good of EI.

I even double checked what i posted at the time and it was nothing more scathing than anything else as far as i could see. [shrug]

PoseyFlump · 29/10/2022 16:42

Ndd135632 · 29/10/2022 07:49

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8d12b9de-56fa-11ed-a03e-f7ac672386f7?shareToken=c066df7bda443d1134b7d63217618a15

oooo Janice nails it here. Read this and then try and feel sorry for ‘Miss Izzard’

In the first sentence appears the word 'self-serving'. Pretty much sums up all this bullshit, doesn't it?!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/10/2022 07:35

I suspect that Eddie Izzard's starting point is "I am not a creep". A young man can wear makeup and it's kind of edgy and even a bit cute when he talks about it onstage but that doesn't last. A 60 year old bloke who has a "girl mode" and uses ladies' toilets just comes across as creepy. So, Eddie Izzard can't be a bloke any more, at least not when she/he/whoever is in girl mode. QED.

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