Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

It isn't.

And I didn't protest the statement I just pointed out it was an obvious hoax. Post it everywhere if you want, it just makes you look like a gullible fool.

I think that the point is you believe that women seeing what has been happening in the USA will be gullible fools.

I am merely pointing out that your innuendos, hyperboles and direct falsehoods about violence against women are a great example of dishonest posting. And your complete lack of respect for women has shone through just about every post.

If women start to look for more information, well, this statement that is floating around will probably make more women take notice than your repeated 'women will see who she is associating with'.

Your posts in that regard are bollocks and really do show a complete lack of understanding how women's movements work. And you desperately started out 'but BOTH sides' and now I doubt anyone would think you are concerned at all for women.

But hey..... you are the one dismissing violent acts against women all over this thread. And you call me a 'gullible fool'!

I would like to hear how you would explain that it's parody.

Who is it parodying? What did the target of parody originally say, that is being parodied?

"No-one talks like this"

"Those whose eroticism transgresses generational boundaries"

I don't equate tras with transpeople.

Is that it? Some impenetrable book barely anyone has read published decades ago and that wasn't written by a trans person. That's your evidence that trans people are involved in some elaborate paedophile plot that is both secret but that they also publish wordpress blogs on. Grow up for fucks sake, stuff like this is what gets LGBTQ people killed.

It's some evidence that popped up tonight that people do talk like that. I'm sure more can be found. As you said, it's a parody. So what's it parodying?

I'm not sure why you're pondering on whether the author might be trans. The issue is whether the author would be a trans activist. The vast majority of trans activists aren't trans.

Who talks like that?

How bizarre again. Have you honestly not kept up with the reason the recent trustee, Jacob Breslow, of Mermaids is no longer a trustee?

Or Dr Allyn Walker.

Dr Walker said the phrase "minor-attracted person" - or MAP - carried less stigma than the term paedophile, adding that having an attraction to minors doesn’t mean the person is doing something wrong, "as long as it isn’t acted on".

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/allyn-walker-professor-paedophile-virginia-b1960427.html?amp

I would be very happy to post a whole slew of twitter MAP accounts, but that usually get reported and deleted very quickly.

If you have not seen this move to destigmatise that group, then maybe you should read more widely.

Have we posted Peter Tatchell’s words, yet?

The bit about not all intergenerational sex with children being abusive. Didn’t it then also go on to say it could be welcomed by the child?

Peter Tatchell is primarily an LGB activist and had nothing to do with trans people at the time he made those comments. If you want to make the case that those comments mean the LGB movement is linked to or supportive of paedophilia then why not start another thread about it. We were discussing what took place on Kellie Jay's tour, not some stupid fake blog someone made up to try and smear trans people as paedophiles.

*But hey..... you are the one dismissing violent acts against women all over this thread. And you call me a 'gullible fool'!I

I have not once dismissed violent acts against women. On the contrary | have argued that a 14 year old girl who makes an allegation that she was seriously violently assaulted and racially abused should be taken seriously and not smeared, have comments made about her appoearance and be assumed to be a liar because she's not on the right 'side'.

Are you fucking kidding?!

The amount of shit that is hurled at feminists in the hope that something will stick, but we are not allowed to mention that Peter Tatchell, who is very much on your side, is a major paedo apologist?

Nah....

Incidentally this is the group who are being smeared as being behind that blog: twitter.com/London_AFA

You will find no mentions of MAPs, supporting paedophiles or the the Anti Transphobe Action group because such a group does not exist. I am sure they will happily confirm that if you ask them. Setting up fake blugs to smear antifascists and trans people as paedophiles is disgusting behaviour, as is sharing it when it is quite clearly an obvious hoax probably produced by actual fascists.

@livvyposts posts:

“These kind of stunts don't work in an environment where people carry weapons and are prepared to use serious and even deadly violence.”

also

“For all the talk of heavily armed masked anteefa preparing an imminent deadly attack the truth has been a bunch of school kids armed with silly string and a couple of custard pies.”

On the same thread.

At least pick a coherent argument.

Video here, Girl being sprayed by Hoch
twitter.com/purdylion/status/1586800808183881728?t=IMYN33VzufTxm2x-Or6nOw&s=19&

Sorry? Why do the people who are saying such things have to be ‘trans’?

Peter Tatchell is a prominent trans rights activist. Why does it matter when he said those things?

You posted a now deleted post asking who talks like that?

We are telling you who talks like that. If you have a problem with the people talking like that, you need to take it up with them.

You posted that I would be a ‘gullible fool’ to post that statement and think people would take it seriously. I think Dr Allyn Walker’s quote shows that it actually is not as ridiculous as you have attempted to make out.

A very quick look on twitter shows just how many people with trans flags have the bio using that MAP term.

Not one person on this thread has used your ‘all or nothing’ absolutist attempt to say ‘all trans people are…’ (anything) in any way.

But you certainly have felt confident that intelligent women would make the same bad faith and dishonest conclusions that you have posted about women speaking about their needs, concerns and experiences.

That they don’t have to look far is no fault of anyone but the people publishing works saying stuff that makes that ‘stupid blog post’.

You must really have a low opinion of females to keep posting that they will not see the violence and the wild intolerance of those activist protesters and start thinking that something is very off with the ‘most tolerant, most inclusive and most marginalised’ narrative.

That’s the same footage that’s been posted up thread several times - what do you think this shows that’s different to that attempted assault by spitting, then the person who attempted to spit trying to wrest the poster from the woman who used it to protect herself?

The spraying happens after, towards both the man that looked like he was going to attack and spitter who looked like they were going to retaliate as Hoch steps back.
It looks more like defence than offence to me.

(I thought spitting person IDed as transman?)

And again, please be very very clear why your statement:

I said most people would not consider it a serious act of violence and that it is something which has been used as part of political protest for decades.

is not a dismissal of voilence against women

Or are you denying that you have said this?

And maybe I missed your acknowledgement that there was indeed ‘weapons’ being carried by the activists. And if I missed you acknowledgment that the intimidation that was shown to these women was a form of violence, then I will apologise.

And did I miss your acknowledgement that the very fact those activists followed the women, especially April with her injuries, was a very unnecessary continuation of that intimidation?

Those acts of intimidation were acts of violence .

Well Bed… I am sure you and all readers noticed that the quote by Allyn Walker was ignored.

Strange that.

But you haven’t given any evidence that it is a hoax or a parody.

But you haven’t given any evidence that it is a hoax or a parody.

Well why not ask London Anti-Fascist Action, I've given you contact details? If you're going to claim they support paedophilia, a serious libel if untrue incidentally, then you could at least have the decency to check with them.

Peter Tatchell is a prominent trans rights activist. Why does it matter when he said those things?

Peter Tatchell is a prominent gay rights activist who occassionally supports trans people. If you think his comments mean the gay rights movement supports paedophilia then why not come out and say it.

Antelope

Do you or do you not have evidence of the 14 year old person being sprayed?

You have posted the same clip as we have dissected up thread. This male is not the 14 year old. They confirmed they were over 18.

Both this male and the 14 year old spat at people. Claims have been made by a 14 year old who spat (was it at a lesbian?), that they were sprayed. We have asked for evidence that it was by any of the women who spoke or supported those who spoke.

Have you got a link to any evidence that the 14 year old (as repeatedly mentioned by the other poster) was sprayed by a woman who spoke/supported?

Why are you so keen to distance Peter Tatchell from trans activism?

Tatchell is a spokesperson regularly representing Stonewall who is very focused on trans people.

Why are you so keen to distance Peter and his words (which you knew exactly what we referred to) which is a well known and legitimate connection, yet so keen to make many allegations and accusations about who Kellie Jay supports?

I am quite sure that readers are taking note. I am sure you also think they are gullible fools too.