Standing for women - Portland rally cancelled over violent threats

[ArabellaScott]

Not quite sure what's happened - seems there were credible threats to women's lives over these protests.

twitter.com/StandingforXX

Now it seems a few women went ahead and met up and were attacked. (Nobody seriously hurt as far as I can tell)

twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1585012546766966784

Hoping everyone is safe and well.

@Helleofabore You can see a girl being sprayed in that video though.
It is the 14-year-old black girl I have not seen a video of being sprayed.

Thanks. Yes, the states is a completely different kettle of fish politically and in terms of law enforcement than the UK.

The thought of being in a situation with lots of heightened emotion and guns being around is terrifying.

The British police have been far from great on several occasions, but the procedures of getting permission for an event, liaising with the police etc look so much better than what's happening in the states.

Where? could you post a time and the link to the video you talk about please

It is the second time as I have already said.

@antelopevalley Do you mean the girl in the red hat?

No. That time is simply to show which is the person who made the video accusing someone of spraying them.

Nothing on this entire video shows that person being sprayed.

Agreed

and to be fair anyone can go on twitter and spread bile…doesnt mean they are feminists or mothers or supporters of anything

If you have made an error, just say so.

The reason why Kellie Jay Keen/Posie Parker does these events is because she is attempting to let women speak about how this issue has affected them personally, 'one public square at a time'.

She and many other women have been no-platformed everywhere. Deleted from all sorts of social media including Twitter and mumsnet. Plus she has been arrested talking about it. And other women get taken into custody for speaking too.

So she is going back to the old 'speaking in public, in the town square' style where it is harder to just delete her.

Although she disagrees with trans ideology in general, her focus is often on how it affects children. And she wants to give the parents of those children a chance to talk and ask for help.

As you can see, some people are desperate for for her, and these parents, not to be heard.

I mean, when you have transactivists drilling down into the political viewpoints of some of the people in the security firm she uses, in order to discredit her message you know they've absolutely lost the plot.

Not wanting to be difficult, but at what point did they have the plot? Asking for a friend.

So there is no evidence at all that any of the women sprayed that person who says they are 14, who spits at people, who follows behind women leaving an area after being mobbed continuing to yell at them and join in the mob behaviour.

So a teenage girl alleges she was violently assaulted and your instinct is to accuse her of making it up because there is, as yet, no clear video evidence of it? Don't forget in the initial independent media reports it was claimed that Hoch pepper sprayed someone because they touched her, we've yet to see evidence of that yet either but it hasn't been denied.

It's not good enough to just brush off serious allegations made by a child. SFW should at the very least investigate, if it turns out to be false then fair enough but if not there are serious questions to answer - not least because it appears there were already people involved in the group who had raised concerns about this person.

So a teenage girl alleges she was violently assaulted and your instinct is to accuse her of making it up because there is, as yet, no clear video evidence of it?

Well, and I know this might be difficult to believe, it's not our first rodeo.

You're not wrong

And there is a something being shouted at a lesbian in that video too.

It sounds like "you're a fucking lesbian" at approximately 0.26

I have now found a contemporaneous video from the women's point of view. The accompanying comment says that the spit was directed at a lesbian woman.

twitter.com/CruelRider/status/1586262605064462338?t=oSefKO_fiC5eqwfTvkK-wA&s=19

So a teenage girl alleges she was violently assaulted and your instinct is to accuse her of making it up because there is, as yet, no clear video evidence of it? Don't forget in the initial independent media reports it was claimed that Hoch pepper sprayed someone because they touched her, we've yet to see evidence of that yet either but it hasn't been denied.

Yes, you have seen evidence of it. The person in sunglasses is right in Jeanna's face. Sunglasses spits at her. Jeanna pushes the sign up to shield herself. Sunglasses tries to wrestle it away from her. The man to the left tries to spray her, and Jeanna steps back out of reach, while spraying to stop them following.

Have you actually read my posts either?

I have not said that I doubt this person has been sprayed. I have said clearly when they first came to light that that shouldn't have happened, that I hope that police get involved, that I hope it is properly investigated.

However, for all the accusations thrown around, there is no evidence that this person was sprayed by a woman from the group of woman speaking (just to be clear yet again, so you don't bother asking me which group).

Don't forget in the initial independent media reports it was claimed that Hoch pepper sprayed someone because they touched her, we've yet to see evidence of that yet either but it hasn't been denied.

Really? She was sprayed with a string thing and she had some male get up into her face and try to spit at her and then looked like they were about to swing at her when she sprayed him, and this is what you come out with? She was then also attacked by another male straight after spraying the male that tried to spit directly into her face with pepper spray where she then retaliated.

And you go with 'we've yet to see evidence'? Fuck! This is absurd.

It's not good enough to just brush off serious allegations made by a child.

Who is brushing them off? I have said probably three fucking times it should be investigated.

What I am saying is that YOU are making accusation after accusation on this thread and you are not able to back this one up with evidence (and have you backed anything up with evidence that showed what you thought it did?). That a video was posted in reply to a request for evidence that shows nothing.

but you are right. If you want to continue to look like someone who cannot engage with honesty, please do so.

I've been trying to keep up with what's happening in the States on PP's tour and keep finding myself wondering what the purpose of it is/was?

She's probably done trans people a favour in the US at least. Lots of 'progressives' as I believe they call themselves over there have been confused about what is taking place regarding trans issues in the UK and these events have really shown how comfortable the gender critical movement are co-operating with the far right. Pics of Kellie Jay with Proud Boys members and using security firms linked to right wing militias are things that are a big deal over there. The far right are a much bigger threat than they are in the UK and no-one on the left or who considers themselves a liberal would condone or defend these kinds of links. And that's before you get to the 'terfs mace kids' chants that are now likely to be a staple of any counter protests to anti-trans demos.

These kind of stunts don't work in an environment where people carry weapons and are prepared to use serious and even deadly violence. They don't work in states that are on the brink of far right coups. It's not some big middle class media game over there, the lives of women, LGBTQ people, people of colour and left wing activists are at serious risk. She's completely out of her depth and has only succeeded in entrenching beliefs that the gender critical movement is if not far right itself then more than happy to co-operate with the far right. As probably now the best known gender critical activist from the UK in the US she's picked a side for the gender critical movement and it's not one most decent people want to go anywhere near.

I think you are dreaming. again. You are again using exaggeration and hyperbole.

And you seem to think that women will not go and look at it all themselves and make their own decisions.

But it is just further attempts to distract from the very clear fact that this group, the one who is trying to convince the world they are tolerant, inclusive and marginalised, are anything but. That this group is violent, assaults women and intimidates them.

It's not some big middle class media game over there, the lives of women, LGBTQ people, people of colour and left wing activists are at serious risk.

You don't think that women will also be hearing about the females incarcerated with males?

You don't think that women will also be hearing about lesbians who are being silenced at these events for trying to discuss their needs?

When you are so far down in the trench that you continue to believe that the side literally screaming, assaulting women and intimidating them, even when women are walking away, is going to be seen as righteous, there seems little hope.

Maybe, just maybe, the women in the coming events, should simply have some extra signs with the images of the women with their injuries and pies in the face.

Let the truth get out there far and wide.

Extra signs mind you, I don't think we should not stick to focusing on the issues that those women which to speak about that is important to them.

Maybe, just maybe, the women in the coming events, should simply have some extra signs with the images of the women with their injuries and pies in the face.

It was a couple of custard pies. Pies have been used as a political protest for decades most famously with Anita Bryant. They draw a mixed response admittedly but no-one objective will regard that as a serious act of violence. Most neutrals I saw seemed to think it was quite funny, although that might be due to the weird song that was also in the video.

And people can see the real hyperbole. For all the talk of heavily armed masked anteefa preparing an imminent deadly attack the truth has been a bunch of school kids armed with silly string and a couple of custard pies. Meanwhile the SFW crowd turn up carrying guns stuffed in their jeans and spraying mace at kids. It's been a pretty unedifying spectacle and only someone so deep in GC ideology that they've lost all sense of objectivity could think otherwise

Thanks Datun.

I get the public square bit and can understand why Peakers Corner was chosen and why it works, but other locations don't seem to be as effective.

The ones in the States in particular, look so dangerous with so few attendees.

Nah.... its ok. All that needs to happen is that all women in the movement need to put this statement out on social media and I think that people will start to understand just what is happening ....

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1587120141384425472?s=20&t=OyJJC7O-7HaMQIH_och7lw

I will type this one out for those who don't want to click:

Statement of apology, representation and inclusivity.
14th September 2022
from 'Anti-transphobe Action'

We received a few complaints from members of the Minor Attacted Persons community regarding out statement of solidarity with NAMBLA. The concern was over the use of terms 'paedophile' and 'pederast', which some MAPs think of as a sure against those engaged in intergenerational sex.

So whilst some MAPs may be ok with the terms 'paedophile' and 'pederast', we will now use the more inclusive term Minor Attracted Persons, in order to avoid needlessly offending some members of that particular marginalised community.

Representation and accommodating the needs and feelings of all our queer theory comrades is a must.

Let's recap. There have been some very serious allegations on both sides.

Allegation 1 from the 57 year old woman whose fingers were broken.

Victim addressing school board about this: video

As speakers began to talk the high school students:

“Pulled out our signs. Stomped on them. Picked up the stakes. Threatened us with them. Encircled us. This was very scary.”

Well we have a picture of one doing exactly that. We also have video of Red Dress attacking a speaker from behind. It takes three people to push him away.

So I think that's a confirmed.

We have video of Jeanna Hoch being spat at, physically accosted, and sprayed, by two adults nearly twice her size and then Jeanna spraying as she retreats.

You may believe she shouldn't have sprayed at all, but you have to impose the same standards on the two people being physically aggressive at her first.

The students allege that they were sprayed as they followed the women at the end of the rally, who were escorting the injured 57 year old woman to safety. One student alleges racial abuse. Their video ends before the spraying. However, the man who sprayed Jeanna before is in clearly visible in the group too. So we don't know who sprayed. It may have been him spraying at women again. We do know that the students spat at women, swore repeatedly, and shouted "you're a fucking lesbian" before it ended.