Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

I feel so sorry for the mothers of the TRAs who post on these boards. What a disappointment they are as men and humans.

i once read about of a child falling on an upright toothbrush and blinding themselves. But we’re not banning the toothbrush. Because one dimension we think about problems with is scale.

This reminds of when Paris Lees wrote a sneery piece dismissing women's fears of male violence with "and some people are scared of escalators" because there are accidents on escalators very occasionally. Male violence is the reality of a large proportion of women's lives, which shows that the awful Lees (someone who went to prison for violence) has no idea about being a woman.

It's nasty and it's goady.

But violence perpetuated by transgender people is a feature of virtually no one’s lives

I would just like to point out that women getting concussed in rugby or driven out of sport altogether is also not a “tiny issue.”

Sports participation makes a massive difference to women’s and girls’ mental and physical health. And concussion is more dangerous for women than for men.

And as always, what’s on the other side of the scale from the “tiny issues” of rape, head injuries and the right to free association?

Genderfeelings and need for validation. The desire to have your “identity” written on your birth certificate. Now that’s genuinely a tiny and unimportant issue. It’s downright trivial. It’s disgusting that anyone thinks women’s health and well-being should be endangered for that.

How many women have been concussed by transgender players?

dont be silly - it’s obviously a tiny problem, if, indeed it even exists at all.

But violence perpetuated by transgender people is a feature of virtually no one’s lives

Male violence is, regardless of gender identity. Given the rate of male trans people who are sex offenders that simply isn't true. But you're not posting in good faith, so I've no desire to indulge your misogynistic nonsense.

You are now crossing into ‘using absurd comparisons to try to negate your misogynistic post’.

And as always, what’s on the other side of the scale from the “tiny issues” of rape, head injuries and the right to free association?

Genderfeelings and need for validation. The desire to have your “identity” written on your birth certificate. Now that’s genuinely a tiny and unimportant issue. It’s downright trivial. It’s disgusting that anyone thinks women’s health and well-being should be endangered for that.

This.

But violence perpetuated by transgender people is a feature of virtually no one’s lives

Violence by men affects most women. Maybe not directly, but our constant awareness of it as a possibility means we take precautions throughout the day to avoid it.

For example, I paid £13 for my taxi home last night because I won't use the bus late at night because of the walk home at the end.

If men aren't allowed in a space it means all men are excluded, men who say they are women are still men. Which bit of this is so hard to understand?

He understands it fine well.

This is why all these men hate Kellie-Jay so much, she doesn't dance around the issue, and she empowers other women to say it straight that we don't acknowledge the special status of "trans" as relevant in terms of our experience of male entitlement, male selfishness and male violence.

Oh my! It gets worse!

It never happens…
oh… it happened, well just the once!
oh… it happened again.. nothing to see it is just a few!
It happened again, oh they deserved it anyway.

I cannot believe that someone actually wrote

”But violence perpetuated by transgender people is a feature of virtually no one’s lives”

in an attempt to direct the conversation, to direct people’s activities and to minimise any violent act perpetrated by a male against women.

So, just to remind readers where this particular attempt to minimise started.

Sinnerboy: ^If you think that women objecting to being incarcerated with rapists, claiming to be women, or crippled by a bloke called Sharon in a rugby game, your moral compass is spinning like a propeller.*

ELO: But these are all tiny issues.

Yep. He even said that men's feelings are more important than women's safety on a previous thread. Talking about 'tiny" amounts is bullshit. The amount is irrelevant to him no matter how large or how many times.

You are now crossing into ‘using absurd comparisons

That comparison is deliberately dismissive of women and what we experience. Only a misogynist would think it was appropriate to talk about women's fear of male violence that way. On the feminist board of a majority female website.

We keep saying "men", ELO keeps saying "transgender".

Why is that?

How many does it need to be to be a worthy issue?

n+1?

Just one woman or girl who has been concussed by a male playing rugby in a female team is too many. The science is clear that the female body is much more likely to sustain life shortening damage with concussion events such as that.

It really cannot get any clearer can it?

The misogyny. The dismissal of harm in the drive for getting males into female single sex spaces.

The very opposite of inclusion.

Yes!

Didn’t I see ELO use the ‘it is only a tiny number’ the other day followed by ‘so women should just give trans people what they want?’

I could be wrong. I might go and check it that did stick out in my mind.

Janice Turner in the Times this morning:

Clearly the GRR has far-reaching implications for women. But what happens when they point this out? First, the bombastic know-alls who’ve ignored every female writer, lawyer and policymaker for five years pull out their manly opinions. Like Alastair Campbell, who chided Laura Kuenssberg for an interview with Sir Keir Starmer in which she dwelt on the GRR, which affects half the population — but not the important half. Or Lord Falconer, who pompously wafts away concerns, tweeting that “the vast majority” of new male GRC holders “are likely to be genuine”. So what’s a few women facing sexual assault or indecent exposure, an intimidated lesbian or two, or a class of girls unhappily undressing with a teenage boy? These “It might never happen, love” guys don’t think women deserve legislation that protects us in principle. We’re expected to pray that careless laws, framed for others’ benefit, don’t hurt us in practice. And if they do, it’s just an “isolated incident”. Suck it up. And the next one. There’s no pattern. Let’s ignore the inconvenient truth that males commit 98 per cent of sex crime and 90 per cent of violence, whatever their gender identity.
Then there are the angry men who can’t even bear to hear women’s voices. No debate. Shut up, bitch. Sit down, bigot. We’ll ban your meeting, ignore your legal submissions.
Women have had years of this now. “Keep Mumsnet out of politics,” said a placard at a demonstration where Russell-Moyle shared a platform with the trans woman Sarah Jane Baker, who served 30 years in prison for kidnap and attempted murder. Boring old mums, pesky women seeing through the GRR’s outrageous misogyny and sophistry to say: this is our business.

Didn’t I see ELO use the ‘it is only a tiny number’ the other day followed by ‘so women should just give trans people what they want?

Pretty much. ELO kept telling us that Transwomen are a vulnerable minority therefore, we should do everything to accommodate them no matter how detrimental to women but any women (many of them vulnerable) being harmed doesn't matter as it's a minority.

Worrying about a cis woman rugby player getting concussed by a trans player is a waste of time. Whose to say the trans person will necessarily be any bigger and stronger anyway. There are some hefty women rugby players out there.

Transwomen are a vulnerable minority

Right, but logically that falls flat on its face. No matter what "X" is, and how much "X is a vulnerable minority", the problem is the policy proposal:

"Any man who says he's X should be exempt from any rules that normally apply to men."

That's the problem here. It doesn't matter if X is "transgender", "called Keith" or "from Mars", and the characteristics of that group or if it even exists doesn't matter.

The problem is the way you've changed the rules for men.

for the record:

protecting one woman from rape is more important than validating the genderfeelings of all the transwomen in the entire fucking world.

Anyone who doesn’t agree with the above is an amoral piece of shit who can get in the sea.

tiny issues, my ass.

How many women have been concussed by transgender players?

dont be silly - it’s obviously a tiny problem, if, indeed it even exists at all.

Given the above:

How many men's feelings have been hurt by being excluded from women's sports?

Who cares? It's a tiny number so not an issue worth worrying about.