Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

A faux pas in the sense of giving other people too much credit and assuming a level of understanding and fair play that just isn't present? Perhaps.

Do you also condemn every other person - academic, journalist, writer, political analyst etc - that has ever written about the same thing? For example the absolute plethora of people who used the same explanation of the concept in relation to Donald Trump, or Boris Johnson and many others?

She is. I don't think many historical analogies to illustrate the issues with G ideology are particularly useful, especially anything relating to hitler or the holocaust though.

Direct links to how historical CSA has occurred or medical fuck ups are more effective.

Her specialism is hypnosis and she would have been better using analogies there or from 1984 etc.

Happy to do.

Posie is fabulous. Transideology is nonsense. Transwomen are not women. TRAs are jealous losers

Who? and for what reason, Pie?

You seem to have had a big night of trying to vilify Kellie Jay and seem to be suffering some major disconnect.

Gosh, Posie has some shocking views. She is opposed to giving young healthy women mastectomies and hysterectomies and she's not greatly in favour of removing the testicles and inverting the penises of young men. What a monster!

Even the Pink News article doesn't support the accusations of antisemitism. I'm sure they tried to make it do so, but anyone with basic comprehension skills can see that's not what she said.
Is Michael Rosen's poem about fascism supporting fascism? According to some on here it is. Maybe they'd better tell him

I don't like KJK's approach to everything but allowing women to speak? Nah, no problem with that.

id like to know why it was anti semitism and id also like to know why she should be arrested

thats for margarita and artix

This is the whole point of free speech, people discuss.

I think it's quite funny that artix and suggestions are doing exactly the same thing as the woman did in her speech - comparing their opponents' tactics to fascism. And yet, for some reason, it makes her antisemitic, but not them.

Just as hypocritical to declare that silencing women through deplatforming and intimidation tactics is wonderfully democratic. When it is totalitarian. But nothing like the destabilization of the established meanings of language to twist it to prove your point.

Legal activity- yes.
Wonderfully democratic- preventing women from being heard and not actively debating to show the errors of thinking and convince others… only if you believe totalitarianism is to be applauded.

Once you see the lack of logic, you cannot unsee it.

Even worse than that she is opposed to locking female prisoners in cells with male prisoners, some of whom have been convicted of violent and sexual offences against women!

Makes me wonder about what those making defamatory statements about her stand for 🤔

My point is very clear and directly in response to the point made by the poster I quoted.

I think it is too simplistic to state that bad arguments are always defeated by better arguments. What is an appealing / reasonable and 'good' argument to one person is not an appealing / reasonable or good argument to another. What is an appealing / reasonable or 'good' argument can also shift to the same person over time.

Persuasive abilities also have dimensions to them that go beyond pure reason, often appealing to emotions that people have, eg. Fears.

And that's before you even consider the individual charisma of the speaker.

And I gave an example to illustrate my view.

And what is the conclusion in relation to KJK that you draw from your thoughts on this? That she should shut up?

That's right. People can be persuasive and charismatic. Or they can be annoying and lame.

What's your point? That KJK should shut up because you don't like what she's saying and she's saying it really well?

Or they can be annoying and lame.

Certainly a lot of that around.

Their point never waivers, does it?

If they only once ever actually addressed the issue, they might not look like the jealous losers mentioned by a PP

Suggestionsplease1, is this the example you gave to illustrate your pov?

TheClogLady
No platforming is a tool OF fascism, not a way to defeat fascism.

I’m anti all forms of authoritarianism, personally.

Bad arguments/opinions are defeated by better arguments/opinions.

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Suggestionsplease1:

That's pretty simplistic isn't it?

Persuasive and powerful speakers can convince others to abominable actions with their rhetoric in the right circumstances; we are all pretty dumb really. And we can all shift values in the right contexts, and subsequently perceive and justify our new values as reasonable.

I am sure Hitler for eg. had very persuasive arguments for the majority population he wanted to appeal to. I am sure many said he had great, necessary ideas to address the perceived problems of that time. Probably not the Jewish & minority populations that his rhetoric was targeted against, however.

Am I the only one finding suggestions suggestions to sound rather like only 'right think' speakers aloud?

Free speech as long as it's this speech?

That's how authoritarianism develops and paves the way for dictators?

No Warrior.

I find the posts to be rather jumbled in thinking and definitely controlling 'free speech' in the way we have seen the seemingly unlimited extremist trans activists seeking to frame 'free speech'.

It is just more of the usual 'look at that squirrel' distractive techniques that we constantly see while misrepresenting what has happened, and using words that reasonable but are not accurately describing what happened.

It is sparple.

It is sparple.

100%

I'm not really sure what the problem is. I responded explicitly to a point made by another poster, that's a fairly usual trend on threads, no?

Only last week I compared her to Rotha Lintorn-Orman here and was shouted down. Today it turns out she is providing a platform for Hiterlite antisemites at her 'rallies'.

I hope you guys will listen up more in future.

And people responded to you. Asking you what point you were making in relation to KJK based on your observations about persuasive bad arguments and so on.

No she's not. Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it any less false. HTH.

I think it's quite funny that artix and suggestions are doing exactly the same thing as the woman did in her speech - comparing their opponents' tactics to fascism. And yet, for some reason, it makes her antisemitic, but not them.

And ELO now. I'm reminded of this Monty Python bit: