Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

[TotallyTERF]

I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

So, you don't have anything?

So, you have accused her on the basis of no evidence at all? Some one else told you something that you believed.

In the meantime, readers have now looked at the other speakers at the event who are discussing the impacts of gender identity and have made up their own minds that Kellie Jay spoke at a conference with other speakers about the impacts of gender identity.

No holocaust denier has been proven.

You're welcome to scroll back through the thread yourself and quote the comments you'd like to discuss in more detail.

I gave you a principle. If someone says KJK is a holocaust denier, they need to provide evidence to support that claim, or it's a lie. The same principle applies to any accusation made.

I accused her on the basis of the seemingly credible links widely available online. But am now seeking harder evidence as these weren’t deemed robust enough for the members of this board. That’s good practice, no?

Indeed.

So in fact, the only person who is associating with holocaust deniers is ELO.

No one said she was. But she is happy to take selfies with them.

This is a laughable parallel!

Someone who is engaging in the process of pushing back against ideologies they disagree with is not in the same position as someone sharing a platform with proponents of those ideologies, or rubbing shoulder with them for mutual benefit.

You've given zero evidence to support your claims. Zero evidence is obviously not robust enough for anyone other than an absolutely mindless idiot.

And now you're inviting dialogue with a holocaust denier yourself. Which, by your standards, would surely make you the very thing you've falsely accused KJK of being. Good work.

Evidence of this?

Meanwhile you've told us yourself you're happy to exchange emails with a holocaust denier. What hypocrisy.

Please provide evidence of the following:

1. ELO pushing back against ideologies - what ideologies? What does 'pushing back' mean in this context?
2. KJK sharing a platform with holocaust denier
3. KJK rubbing shoulders with a holocaust denier

And yet, hilariously, all it showed readers was that you have only ever engaged on this thread with bad faith.

'Winning!!! What a legend!'

What didn't work out for me?

Gatekeeping is still a very common usage term and is widely used across many disciplines. It can be a verb. It can be a noun. The only person who cared was you. You who initially tried to make out that it was 'jargon'.

Getting back to the thread.

"I accused her on the basis of the seemingly credible links widely available online. But am now seeking harder evidence as these weren’t deemed robust enough for the members of this board. That’s good practice, no?"

You have posted something about KJK being platformed without any evidence at all.

It is good practice to actually NOT make claims that you cannot directly evidence yourself.

If you were convinced by the evidence you initially presented here. That is all we really need to know. You have a very low bar of 'evidence' and you are not interested at all in engaging with positive intentions. Something that is 'not in the spirit' of this site actually.

And you think you are a winner?

Well, in my home country we would definitely call you a 'winner'.

So now you are just left with the 'selfie' angle.

Which she admitted that she had no idea who that person was.

And is yet another 'guilt by association' distortion.

Is this just like the 'real world politics' example then?

Do politicians, celebrities and influencers also check exactly who they are getting their selfies taken with?

This is just more fuckwittery.

"Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (better known as her pseudonym Posie Parker), who is known in the United Kingdom for her strident anti-trans activism as well as in the United States for harassing the trans rights advocate Sarah McBride, recently appeared on the YouTube channel of French-Canadian far-right nationalist Jean-François Gariépy. Gariépy, for his part, believes in the need for a “white ethno-state” and regularly features the noxious Richard Spencer on his show."

jezebel.com/of-course-terfs-have-found-common-cause-with-white-nati-1839129243

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Gari%C3%A9py#Ethnostate_support

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Gari%C3%A9py

I have nothing to say about holocaust denial, it is not something I have alluded to previously.

Indeed beastly.

Thing is, where the gatekeeping was just sparple, this accusation is serious.

And was made based on no credible evidence at all.

Now ELO has to have someone else go and find evidence for them! Someone else! Well, that is a new one to be sure. Usually posters admit they haven't got evidence, they at least go and find it themselves.

You really couldn't come up with this!

A poster making serious claims has done so based on no evidence at all, believing that such a low bar would be credible to convince people, now has to go off and ask someone else to find evidence.

From Wiki….

if the references aren’t good enough for you I’m happy to do additional detective work to
dig up the dirt on her.

On 28 January 2019, Keen attended an event hosted by The Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. opposed to the Equality Act, which would add sexual orientation and gender identity to existing civil rights law, and posted a video from inside the conference praising their coverage of the issue.[1]

In February 2019, Keen traveled to Norway to speak at a red-brown Mot Dag conference alongside Hans Jørgen Lysglimt Johansen, a far-right Norwegian politician and Holocaust denialist, who she took a selfie with. Keen later said she didn't know who Lysglimt was.[2][42][43]

Keen has described Emily Zinos as "fabulous". Zinos is a member of the far-right Minnesota Family Council and believes that contraception and abortion "have an immediate destructive effect on society."[43]

According to Media Matters for America, Keen has repeatedly expressed support for far-right English activist Tommy Robinson.[2]

In October 2019, she appeared in an interview with Jean-François Gariépy, a far-right YouTuber who calls for a "white ethno-state" and has made videos with neo-Nazis Richard B. Spencer and Mark Collett as well as former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. Keen later stated she did not realise he was a white nationalist. She also gave an interview to Soldiers of Christ Online, later stating she wasn't aware it was linked to the far-right,[5][44][6] as well as an interview with Sebastian Gorka, previously Deputy Assistant to the President for Donald Trump.[10]

In January 2020, Keen spoke at a panel organized by The Heritage Foundation and WoLF.[45]

On 24 March 2022, Keen appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight, a conservative American talk show, to discuss her protest of the NCAA Division I Women's Swimming Championship.[46]

During her "Let Women Speak" tour, Keen posed for a photo with Edgar J. Delatorre, a member of the Proud Boys who was present at the January 6 United States Capitol attack.[10]

What's the relevance of this? It's not evidence, just more claims without evidence. I don't understand why you've posted this.

all of these claims are sourced if you head to Wiki.

Are you saying no interview took place?

This is what you said: Someone who is engaging in the process of pushing back against ideologies they disagree with is not in the same position as someone sharing a platform with proponents of those ideologies, or rubbing shoulder with them for mutual benefit.

Considering that the topic under discussion is the accusation that KJK was platformed with a holocaust denier, your comment can be understood as claiming that:

1. ELO is 'pushing back' against holocaust denialism (by engaging in email correspondence with a holocaust denier);
2. KJK is sharing a platform with holocaust deniers;
3. KJK is rubbing shoulders with holocaust deniers.

Hence my request for evidence of these three things.

If that's not what your comment alluded to, could you please make clear exactly what you were alluding to. Or better still, what you actually meant.

No, I'm asking you what the relevance of this quote is.

I think, for most people reading, it will be very clear, straightforward and relevant what I am doing, and I'm sorry that is not the case for you.

if the references aren’t good enough for you I’m happy to do additional detective work to
dig up the dirt on her.

Thanks. Because all you've posted are yet more claims of guilt by association. KJK smiled at someone who is considered to be a racist. KJK had her picture taken with a stranger, who was later revealed to have once been a fascist but isn't any more.

If you want me to believe that KJK is a fascist, holocaust denier, charlatan or whatever else she's accused of, then the evidence I need is the words from her own mouth saying, "I support fascism," "the holocaust never happened," etc. She has done loads of interviews and podcasts so if those are her views, the evidence should be very easy to find.

No no, don't worry. It's very clear to me what you are doing. I'm sure it is for everyone else as well.

OK we get it, you are not bothered by the company a person chooses to keep.

For many people this is a problem, and they feel they can get an idea of a person through whom they wish to spend their time with and associate with.