Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

She has done loads of interviews and podcasts so if those are her views, the evidence should be very easy to find.

Which is kind of the point isn't it? You'd never have a thread like this about anyone actually bad, because there'd be no point. You'd just look at what she says.

This sort of thread only arises when those trying to drag someone down have to studiously ignore almost everything she has ever said and go looking for something to make up a contrary narrative.

Everyone here appreciating her appreciates her for what she says. Those opposing her refuse to address what she says at all.

Well it's more nuanced than that.

I'm not bothered by someone being in the same room as someone else whose politics are dodgy.

I'm not bothered by KJK having her photo taken with someone she doesn't know who is later found out to be an ex-proud boy.

I'm not bothered about Julie Bindel writing for the Mail or the Spectator. I'm not even bothered about her going on a speaking tour with fully paid-up fascist, Milo Yiannopoulos.

I am, however, bothered about transactivists employing paedophiles in their organisations.

You know? Nuance.

For many people this is a problem, and they feel they can get an idea of a person through whom they wish to spend their time with and associate with.

Well, I for one quite like Venice Allan. But maybe she's not to everyone's taste?

Or do you mean the wider groups of women who go to her events?

Oh, no, sorry, silly me. I was interpreting your "wish to spend their time with and associate with" literally.

You meant "were once in the vicinity of", or "refuse to issue a performative disassociations of" didn't you?

You may not be bothered. But many people are, which limits her effectiveness as a campaigner, and supports my point she doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool
in the box strategy-wise.

Need convincing still? Think Jeremy Corbyn.

If you don't think she's effective, ELO, why spend so much time desperately trying to discredit her with bullshit accusations?

Sorry, not buying it.

summat to do.

if you didn’t think I was effective why do you debate me?

she doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool
in the box strategy-wise.

Well I'm sure she'll be very disappointed to know you think so. Meanwhile, thousands of women will "be the billboard" and speak at her events and tell their friends and watch her youtube and share her interviews, and KJK will continue to be invited onto mainstream and independent media, and quoted whenever the newspapers need a feminist voice.

And you'll continue to use your strategies of lying, making claims without evidence, derailing, shitposting and applauding yourself for not understanding basic concepts like what a verb is. Good luck with all of that.

We'll see which of you garners the most support and has the biggest reach over the coming months.

No one here is debating you. You've been repeatedly asked for evidence to support your claims. And in doing so, you've been allowed to expose your ignorance and discredit yourself.

Brilliant, isn't it? Such an incredibly smart strategy. Women everywhere spread the message of women's and children's rights, and have a way to recognise our friends and allies in the movement. It also gives us a way to financially support the actual billboards, documentaries, and live events that KJK puts on, and - hopefully - gives her enough income to keep doing what must be the equivalent of two or three full time jobs. I expect she will also have to start employing people soon, if she hasn't already.

We are not debating you though.

We are pointing out your continued lies and tactics that you use.

The word "debate" can be used as both a noun and a verb. Unlike the word "gatekeep," which can only be a verb (and from which the noun "gatekeeper" can be derived) and which has the gerund form, "gatekeeping."

Just an observation.

I expect he helps her out for free when he can. He's quite a high-earning person in his career so I doubt he's planning to give that up anytime soon.

And you have already posted this.

I have even quoted the relevant section in the past in posts to you.

That YOU find this convincing is just part of the issue. You have continued to say she was 'platformed'. You have doubled down on it numerous times. Even this paragraph doesn't say she was 'platformed' with a holocaust denier.

You have no evidence of that at all. You draw a conclusion based on your polarised thinking and guilt by association.

Then, you claimed someone else is getting that evidence for you.

And we have pointed out that wikipedia is a very biased source that is all about misrepresentation in this case. You are very foolish if you believe that just because it is on wikipedia, or published by a biased news source that it is factual, balanced and meeting any level of credibility. And you claim to have spent 25 years in Advertising. Fuck! I find that incredible that someone who worked in an industry that is all about using words to convince people of things, thinks that wikipedia and biased news sources are factually based and balanced.

I have already posted the opening sentence of the wikipedia entry. It called her an anti-trans activist.

While you might believe that, it is not actually the case and is a misrepresentation of what she does. It is a lie. She campaigns for the rights of women and children to strengthen those rights where conflicts occur with the demands of another group. You might not like the words she uses, they might be blunt and uncomfortable to here, but you seem to be having trouble posting anything that she says that is not true.

So, no. You have no credible evidence that she was 'platformed' with a holocaust denier.

I was in Morrisons the other week and recognised a bloke who used to sell the National Front comic. I suppose that means I associate with Nazis and sympathise with them.

Did you get his email address though?

Everyone here appreciating her appreciates her for what she says. Those opposing her refuse to address what she says at all.

Yes. If I remember correctly, KJK,s prongs are two fold. She always calls men, men. Not 'transwomen', not 'male bodied'. Men. And she also asserts how pornography takes centre stage and sees it as a driving force. She uses terms like porn addled to describe the men involved. They don't help by eg obligingly posting photos of themselves flashing their penises in department stores, of course.

She's also very concerned and furious over the way children are being subjected to trans ideology. She posted photos of the arms of trans youth being harvested for skin and was deleted for it. Amid cries of the photos being fake. They were that horrifying that TRAs pretended they weren't real. Pictures that are now commonplace on social media.

She will talk to anyone, any time about these issues. And she platforms women who are directly affected, at her frequent, international rallies.

Some bloke took a selfie with her at one. HE took it. - she's a looker after all.

TRAs will never address her points. They cant. They are irrefutable.

So they make themselves, and their position, ridiculous by moaning about the employees of her security firm, and some random bloke who wanted a selfie with a cute blonde.

Everyone here appreciating her appreciates her for what she says. Those opposing her refuse to address what she says at all.

Yes. If I remember correctly, KJK,s prongs are two fold. She always calls men, men. Not 'transwomen', not 'male bodied'. Men. And she also asserts how pornography takes centre stage and sees it as a driving force. She uses terms like porn addled to describe the men involved. They don't help by eg obligingly posting photos of themselves flashing their penises in department stores, of course.

She's also very concerned and furious over the way children are being subjected to trans ideology. She posted photos of the arms of trans youth being harvested for skin and was deleted for it. Amid cries of the photos being fake. They were that horrifying that TRAs pretended they weren't real. Pictures that are now commonplace on social media.

She will talk to anyone, any time about these issues. And she platforms women who are directly affected, at her frequent, international rallies.

Some bloke took a selfie with her at one. HE took it. - she's a looker after all.

TRAs will never address her points. They cant. They are irrefutable.

So they make themselves, and their position, ridiculous by moaning about the employees of her security firm, and some random bloke who wanted a selfie with a cute blonde.

You are also using this dishonest tactic.

Who are you talking about, please? Specifically, name names. Who does she 'associate' with that we should start to worry about?

When you have a large and diverse audience (e.g. several left-wing lesbian friends are going to Newcastle on Sunday) you will find yourself photographed with people whose views you are unlikely to share. She's also been photographed with numerous feminists / left-wing women. But I suppose those associations can be ignored when you have a wider agenda, and this is why we see things like demented libellous blogs and fictitious claims about a private education. I recognise the machinations having had the same small crowd lie about my wife to the point their own ex friends have told them to shut up.

This isn't about political boundaries. It's resentment that someone charismatic has shown up and gained the audience to which some think they are entitled. But if you won't engage with people who think differently from you, you're not going to gain it, are you?

Hi everyone, we'd had a few reports about derailing on this thread. So we are just popping our head round to please ask that this is nipped in the bud.

Thanks!

Does this also mean then that we all have to email Johansen with our burner emails and get copied in on the email so we can see it is legit?

Otherwise, Johansen has to tweet it so we can see that it is a legitimate answer. Otherwise, it is just made up.

Nipped in the bud @ImaniMumsnet ? Too late for that.

Chop it off at the roots.

Lol - I’m a productive member of society, not some niche echo chamber minor celebrity living off mum and dads / right wing donor’s (correct me if she works for a living) money.

I am sure she will have more “reach”. But nowhere near enough to have much impact on the general population given her numpty strategy