Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

Someone has suggested that ELO actually start their own thread. Can't be more pro free speech than that.

free speech doesn't mean you approve of the derailing of an appreciation thread with absolute drivel.

Ok so your version of free speech means nobody gets to challenge content in threads if you don't happen to like it.

Riiiiiight.

How can anyone challenge my appreciation of KJK?

There was a thread on aibu the other day

Something like 'does everyone like their Samsung telly'

2nd post on was 'I don't have a telly'

I mean why? What's the point?

Why conflate 'freedom of speech' with allowing misrepresentation and lies?

But I and others have encouraged the poster to keep posting, preferably with some actual engagement rather than the repeated lies and misrepresentations. Or start their own thread.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of an appreciation thread.

Or the concept of free speech, either for that matter.

I'm pretty clear you have no concept of the idea of free speech!

So if someone posted an appreciation thread for a surgeon carrying out gender affirmation surgery here, you, and all other GC feminists on these boards, would presumably let others crack on with that appreciation?

Or would you be hypocritical and maybe post something?

Comment is free but facts are sacred innit?

if you say things that just aren’t true people will notice (here at least)

I've spoke to quite a few of you KJK fans before and most of you were Tories and actually transphobic instead of genuinely concerned about women and girls' safe spaces.
Bindel and Women's Place got the measure of Posie very early on. Maybe because they are real working class feminists who are not using the very real fears of women and girls concerned about gender ideology and the erosion of women's rights to build the fascist tendency and make Posie plenty of dosh. Not too smart eh ?

Royal Family threads getting boring at the moment?

Again. There is a difference between 'free speech' and posting misrepresentation and lies. If someone has something to add that is based on facts and not guilt by association and partial truths or lies and can support it, why wouldn't they be welcome to post on threads?

This.

Good lord.

The denial of free speech is not women objecting to an oddly repetitive poster blurting out 'Holocaust denier' every other post! 😁

honestly. These people.

I think we’d probably just point out this was unlikely to be an efficient board for such a post?

Much tidier to mod-move it to the LGBT Parents section (although MN might have concerns that it was advertising-by-subterfuge and remove it, which would be their right).

Such a thread would be likely to gain a more appropriate audience over on one of the two transgender uk-specific subreddits or the transgender surgeries sub, or one of the many transgender topic Facebook groups or forums (such as Susan’s Place or TS Angels).

HTH!

LOL. I think you'll find that even incredibly annoying people who tell lies and insult others are allowed to speak on these boards. The only thing TRAs ever get reported for is transphobia, racism or personal attacks.

It's hardly shutting down free speech to ask people to take their hatred to a different thread.

What do you think free speech is @suggestionsplease1 ? It's not the right to say anything you like unchallenged. If you want to speak, expect to be challenged and have to defend your speech.

If people want to come onto an appreciation thread and tell lies about the subject of the thread, then they can't honestly expect that to go unchallenged. Of course they're going to be asked to defend their speech, bring evidence, build a coherent argument, etc. And of course people are going to question their motivations in commenting off topic in this thread, rather than starting a thread of their own.

The debate I opened up wasn’t about what it means. You can scroll back and see for yourself.

It was about whether “to gatekeep” is commonly used - i.e. as a verb.

It’s not - and certainly not in business, contrary to what has been suggested upthread.

“I gatekeep the diversity policy at HSBC” said no one ever.

Really, Marg, you are a billy of the very silliest variety!

😂you've got to admire that, on some level!

You must know this is nonsense.

What would it be, if not a verb? You can't really use it as a noun, can you? It's not an adjective or an adverb or a preposition or a conjunction.

Here's a dictionary definition for you:

gatekeep
verb

1. To limit (sometimes manipulatively, rather than directly) how much role another party, often a spouse, has in some task; for example, to limit how much one's husband can raise one's children
2. To control or limit access to something

Of course some people will invent the most absurd straw squirrels to detract from the point of the thread.

So what are the lies that have been said about KJK?

And I suppose it's you/ GC feminists in general that get to determine what is a fact, what is opinion, what is truth, what Is lies? Am I right?

FFS. I have my Marketing text book right here in front of me from 1991. It discusses 'gatekeeping' under the chapters about Industrial Buying Processes and communicating to opinion leaders. That is just one text book.

I also remember it discussed rather a lot in my Organisational Behaviour unit. And I remember it discussed very clearly in the sales theory courses and practical courses. And in business strategy unit.

You are absolutely talking bollocks when you say It’s not - and certainly not in business, contrary to what has been suggested upthread.

Look.... here ... very first google entry regarding 'marketing'

www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/gatekeeper-marketing

I know you said you worked in advertising ELO but I cannot believe it when you come out with absolute bollocks like this. Or were you only ever involved in the creation side and NEVER actually on the business side of Advertising?

You really could have just googled, yet didn't seem to be able to.

I am quite sure that readers did and saw your fuckwittery for what it is.

I only highlighted it because you have continued with the same kind of fuckwittery on this thread too. The fuckwittery of just typing 'holocaust denial' and believing that anyone will actually believe you.

“I gatekeep the diversity policy at HSBC” said no one ever.

Actually, they very well could do!

Are you so lacking in how organisations actually work that you don't understand the relevance of this example you just posted.

If someone is actually making the decisions about what to have in the policy or not, THEY ARE GATEKEEPING THE POLICY.

They may or may not say it. It is more likely that they will be accused of it.

Really, stop with the fuckwittery.

But the conferences where she is appearing with far right/social conservative/anti abortion/anti LGB speakers aren’t engaging with diverse audiences at all. She is preaching to the converted, which is why she is invited. And the audiences she speaks to are, for the most part, small.

Appearing alongside these types is self defeating. This is because to have any meaningful effect she will have to appeal to a broad audience and these associations means most mainstream media won’t touch her with a barge pole, and she’s relegated to low-audience bottom feeders like GB News.

its a dumb, self defeating political strategy.