She played the piano with her penis

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So I am told anyway. I can't bring myself to watch it. Has anyone been brave enough?

Can't seem to link to the article. It's in the DM

Not much gender dysphoria going on there is there.

We have been discussing for years now that no diagnosis of GD is needed at all. So I am not sure why you would expect there to be. Anyone is trans if they say they are. You know this surely?

I watched it when it was on was quite enjoying the act till then, flashing is a crime so not really acceptable on national TV either but because we have to be pc have to think we'll maybe it is OK as just expressing themselves but is it? I don't really know or care particularly but no need for it and wouldn't be rushing to go and see this act again although if they hadn't stripped off I would

We have been discussing for years now that no diagnosis of GD is needed at all. So I am not sure why you would expect there to be. Anyone is trans if they say they are. You know this surely?

But a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is required for GRA purposes and that is what the GRA was set up for, to protect genuine transsexual people. Also gender reassignment in relation to the EqA is defined as transsexual treatment etc.
Not for people like this. The definition of trans is so wide it can mean almost anything. It’s become meaningless. Or very unclear.

From the article linked by @ArabellaScott

I want to do what no transgender has done before – to be a transgender woman playing a man’s role. (acting role)

Bizarre comment.

The definition of trans is so wide it can mean almost anything. It’s become meaningless. Or very unclear.

Yes. We know. As I said, surely you have been on this board long enough to know that we know this.

And again, surely you know that it has been claimed by Stonewall and other groups that just having the intention to apply for a certificate, at any time in the future, is now being used as the umbrella to claim access to the exemptions. Ie to claims access to female single sex spaces.

You have been reading these threads on this board for a long time. How have you missed this?

So much of what we are pushing back on is that groups have advised and written policy and guidance where actually having a GRC is meaningless, because they are pushing for self ID and acting as if it is already in place.

And a diagnosis of GD seems all too easy to get these days so as to seem meaningless.

So yes, you are right, the trans umbrella has become meaningless or unclear as to just who is under it.

As the trans umbrella includes non binary, and every human is non binary as no one adheres 100 to gender stereotypes, technically we’re all under it.

Tits and a dick, something you don’t see every day…. misses point entirely. A man with silicone implants essentially? Heard this discussed in work, only it was described to me as “did you watch such and such, he got his dick out and played a keyboard with it? “ Erm, no. Thank God.

What bloody grim viewing!

Yes. We know. As I said, surely you have been on this board long enough to know that we know this.

And again, surely you know that it has been claimed by Stonewall and other groups that just having the intention to apply for a certificate, at any time in the future, is now being used as the umbrella to claim access to the exemptions. Ie to claims access to female single sex spaces.

Yes of course. But so much on this board lumps everyone in together. I know Stonewall do but I’m not agreeing with that. There are frequent calls here to repeal the GRA or to say trans women shouldn’t be in any female spaces, both of which I disagree with (with some exceptional limitations in the latter).

I think society still needs those things for genuine transsexual people.
I don’t think those things are appropriate for the subject of this thread.
I don’t think the intention is enough to claim access to spaces either.

But the existence of that person and their behaviour doesn’t negate the need for protections and processes around social and legal sex/ gender recognition issues for genuine trans people with severe dysphoria who transition.

@Fieldofgreycorn what is the difference between a man in a dress claiming a trans identity and a predator putting a dress on to access womens spaces? How do we know the difference? At what point does someone become ‘genuinely trans’
so which female spaces (which then become mixed sex spaces) do you think males should be allowed into and why?

Sorry, this is utter rubbish.

Normal people are not 100 masculine or femine - they might be literally binary is sex terms, but in gender terms we are all non-binary. But we are normal, which means we are boring heteronormative people who are old, worthless and living our lives in black and white.

Normal people are completely different to ACTUAL non-binary people. Real NBs are non-binary in sex terms as well as gender terms because they mix the terms up. They are special people who are queer even when having straight sex. They are young and vibrant and live their lives in a sort of full technicolour that would put Joseph and his jacket or whatever it was to shame.

@YouSirNeighMmmm i know it’s utter rubbish. That was my point. I may not have explained it well.

we are normal, which means we are boring heteronormative people who are old, worthless and living our lives in black and white.

Sounds peaceful. I'll volunteer.

If you can prove to me that someone was born in the wrong body and has gone to hospital and have an operation which has changed their incorrect bodily sex from male to female I will concede that you have introduced me to my first "genuine transsexual" person.

Obviously I am more convinced that a man who has undergone a serious operation that has left him bereft of his manhood is serious about his LARPing than a bloke with a beard and lippy who came out as trans yesterday... but there is literally no difference between the two.

I suppose there is a difference if you believe there is something about cutting your penis off that is so serious that only a man who was genuinely a woman would have it done, but the existence of detranisitioners would suggest that would be a foolish belief to hold.

Sorry, I understood... I was just taking it a bit further!

Aaahh gotcha @YouSirNeighMmmm

The irony is, of course, that I am sure that there are probably all sort of GC people into bondage or sado-masochism or dressing up or being promiscuous... they just don't necessarily believe that they need to hand around families and young children to share their experiences and beliefs with regards sex.

Normal people are completely different to ACTUAL non-binary people. Real NBs are non-binary in sex terms as well as gender terms because they mix the terms up. They are special people who are queer even when having straight sex. They are young and vibrant and live their lives in a sort of full technicolour that would put Joseph and his jacket or whatever it was to shame.

Yes, because as you say, it's just a label. It's meaningless, self-obsessed nonsense for bored children and older people who refuse to grow up. Everyone is indeed non binary because no one, even us boring biological females without a special identity, is a walking stereotype.

Well also @YouSirNeighMmmm , we boring grey people in the shadows might have once enjoyed bondage, tried all kinds of sex things, liked them for a bit, then liked something else. I personally don't understand the need for everyone to know about my sex life, who I am and who I'm not attracted to or whether I feel stereotypically feminine or stereotypically masculine at any given time, or just somewhere in between which is the usual just being me, quietly getting on with more important things imo. But I guess I was pretty sex obsessed when I was "young", although still, never felt I needed to shout about it anywhere, didn't have any trouble finding others who felt similarly to have sex with!

All seems a bit cosplay gone too far, avatars taken to extremes and translated in to real life. Only rich people can afford such things as elective plastic surgery, working class people have to go on waiting lists and cross red tapes. Jordan comes across as self indulgent and narcissistic, doesn't have women's boobs, those are plastic surgery porn boobs. The cock was revolting, he struggled to get hold of it, and for a moment looked like he was going to try and have a wank on stage.

I'm really hopeful that putting this kind of shit on national telly on a Friday night has made more well meaning woke people think about the reality of self ID and gender ideology teaching in schools, what it actually means. Just planted a seed of a question "is this OK?" and "would I want that trans person going in to my daughter's school?". I honestly believe that if the media was more balanced, and it wasn't just right wing newspapers publishing GC stories and commentary, that education on both sides of the coin might open up an adult conversation where people could stop shouting at each other and we could realise this isn't a yes/no binary issue, nor is it a right/left issue. It's complex. There aren't easy answers to most of it, well at least there isn't a one size fits all approach that would be fair, legal and safe beyond what we have already - the Equality Act. Suella (groan, yes she's awful) delivered a speech that included an explanation of where this all fits in to that, it's worth reading that bit on the Gov.uk website for clarity.

But also, the crux of it is - this actually still relates to a very very very small minority of people and the loudest shouters seem all to be trans sexual women. Trans gender people are generally pretty nice and peaceful in my limited and perhaps naive experience.