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She played the piano with her penis

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NotRightNowNo · 23/10/2022 17:16

So I am told anyway. I can't bring myself to watch it. Has anyone been brave enough?

Can't seem to link to the article. It's in the DM

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EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 13:30

StillWeRise · 25/10/2022 13:21

I didn't actually get the Chuckle brothers joke🤔

I think it is addressed to men about - taking it in turn to ‘suck’ each other off- I think the joke only works if you see Gray as a woman - otherwise it is no more funny than gay men talking about taking it in turns.

RhannionKPSS · 25/10/2022 13:33

The Chuckle Brothers had a running joke about moving furniture “ to you, to me”

LivMumsnet · 25/10/2022 13:50

Thanks to everyone who has offered the OP advice. We've now heard from the OP and unfortunately they have been identified in real life so we're going to delete the entire discussion now.

shortfrench · 25/10/2022 13:51

Wrong thread?

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 13:52

Are you sure you are talking about the right thread Liv?

LivMumsnet · 25/10/2022 13:52

Oops...wrong thread. This one is staying up, don't worry...

<weeps onto keyboard>

LivMumsnet · 25/10/2022 13:52

<closes a few windows>
<glugs coffee>
<goes for quick nap>

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 13:52

No worries 😀

WinterTrees · 25/10/2022 14:02

<pats LivMumsnet on the shoulder and passes biscuit tin>

Just came to link this absolute gem from Sally Hines' twitter, where she seems to be posting to herself from a sock account.

twitter.com/simonjedge/status/1584890339483320320

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 14:26

Sally Hines really is a marvel.

A person who can make so many embarrassing screwups and continue to show their face in public has admirable grit.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 25/10/2022 14:36

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 11:41

Yes and the other one I think of is Al Murray the Pub Landlord. It was supposed to be an ironic persona but most people seemed to enjoy it as a freedom from ‘political correctness’.

I also think the ‘metrosexual’ idea at the time, that it became acceptable for straight men to be vain, get their eyebrows tidied and wear ‘guyliner’, to be faux gay and it became acceptable to ridicule and shame men for their looks too - just like women -Jonathan Ross was the main player in this (he was huuuge - he ended up hoovering up the salaries of everyone at the BBC who got sacked) - it was suddenly fair and acceptable to be far more overt and judgemental about women. Instead of treating women better, you just pretend it’s the same when you do it to men. This was like the early murmurings of the mainstreaming of deeply misogynist entertainment like Ru Paul’s Drag Race imo.

In Sickness... and Love Thy Neighbour were anti-racist... but they were also incredibly naive not to realise how many people would would laugh with not at the racists.

Al Murray - 20 to 30 years later - has no excuse for coming up with a cowardly cowardly act that likewise appeals to racists as well as anti-racists.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 15:02

I was thinking a bit more about this, but I don’t know if anyone else remembers what I mentioned unthread Jonathan Ross got a huge pay rise - I think he was the highest paid BBC employee after it, while many staff got sacked - or demoted at the some time.

Ross was hosting an awards ceremony- I can’t remember which, but it was full of BBC staff, many of whom had recently felt the sting.

He made a quip, boasting about his hugely inflated salary and a kind of ‘sorry-not sorry’ observation that it was those who had been sacked/demoted which made it possible for him to be stinking rich now.

He made the joke ‘ironically’ but obviously there was a very cool response - because it was bloody true. That is exactly what had happened. People had lost their livelihoods in order that he could live in excess. There is nothing funny about it, ironic or otherwise. It was raw and painful.

Anyway, what I am long-windedly getting to, is that’s how I feel about a lot of Gray’s jokes.

When he’s joking about wanting to use women’s toilets, not gender neutral toilets, for validation, ‘ironically’, it’s not funny, because it is true. It’s raw and painful for women and what is actually happening to us now.

The winners in the situation can mirthfully play around with it -cracking jokes “isn’t this ALL soooo silly!” but the losers in the situation don’t feel so bloody cheery about it.

IcakethereforeIam · 25/10/2022 15:18

@EndlessTea you're right. Perhaps Jordan's intent was to send up tw but, if so, he has missed the mark with a lot of his audience. What a tin ear, in music and comedy.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 16:10

I don’t know if anyone has shared this yet:

Sexist Comedy is Back - Jordan Gray is Bernard Manning for the woke set. By Brendan O’Neill

Birdsweepsin · 25/10/2022 16:16

I'm actually very right-wing, and I loved it.

She played the piano with her penis
happydappy2 · 25/10/2022 16:26

Channel 4 have replied to my complaint-couldn't give a shit!

'Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE (Jordan Gray)

We're sorry to read of your concerns. However, this Edinburgh Comedy Award-nominated routine was part of a live comedy variety show featuring a broad range of acts.
It was broadcast after the watershed with appropriate warnings, including for adult content.'

I disagree but what can you do?

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 16:30

@IcakethereforeIam I reckon that when Ross made the joke about his millions, I think he couldn’t resist straight up boasting about it and rubbing people’s noses in it, but he probably was able to use a veneer of ‘irony’ and ‘easing tension by mentioning the elephant in the room’ to disguise from himself that he was being such an utter @?#!.

Likewise, I think Gray is doing the same thing - Lording his new found social power over women, but disguising his @?#!-i-ness from himself by believing he is being ironic and sending himself up.

In both cases it is pure and simple male dominance behaviour.

In both cases they wrongly think they are too sophisticated and self-aware to be ape-like brutes.

Passwordfail · 25/10/2022 16:38

RedToothBrush · 24/10/2022 08:31

Sex change is impossible. 'Sex change surgery' is unethical butchery. 'Cross sex hormone treatment' is even less effective and ethical than homeopthy. Mermaids and Stonewall are vehicles to push unethical treatment to vulnerable people to validate a men's sexual rights movement and to remove agency and status from women. They are sexist, racist and homophobic. They dismiss traumatic experiences and seek to humiliate, silence and further traumatise victims. The whole TRA movement is narcissistic from top to bottom. It's self serving and advocates harm by pushing gender stereotypes whilst maintaining the absolute right to male pattern behaviour to subdegate women.

Whapping your cock out on stage, whilst gleefully singing I'm better than women, look at me, me, me, me, me, me, me could not illustrate the entire shit show in a clearer way on any other 3 minute segment.

👏

Parabellum · 25/10/2022 16:48

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Parabellum · 25/10/2022 17:22

A biological male gets HER cock out.
Iconic.
The audience was blown away.
What a moment.
What an artistic triumph.
Incredibly powerful message.

OMG. OMG. OMG.
The oppression has officially ended.
I am literally crying happy tears here.

And so are we, dear...

(Endless love & kindness & compassion ensues...)
Happy to be of assistance.

Parabellum · 25/10/2022 17:35

Cock on TV = Radical Satire.
As long as you're TW, that is.
Only then your member can be considered
"magnificent".
Which it naturally, is.
Pure talent.

chilling19 · 25/10/2022 17:50

A dick move:

Indeed a fabulous article.

Noteworthy:

'Trans vision of eternal girlhood'

And

'Only this is not humour. The objectification is deadly serious, as is the dick-swinging power play. Male people do think they are better than female people; they treat us as inferior, and shame us for the bodies we have and the boundaries we set. Whilst it might not count as indecent exposure, what happened on Friday Night Live sits on a continuum with it. It was gender-normative, and it was intended to put women back in their place.'

👏👏👏

DameHelena · 25/10/2022 18:49

happydappy2 · 25/10/2022 16:26

Channel 4 have replied to my complaint-couldn't give a shit!

'Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE (Jordan Gray)

We're sorry to read of your concerns. However, this Edinburgh Comedy Award-nominated routine was part of a live comedy variety show featuring a broad range of acts.
It was broadcast after the watershed with appropriate warnings, including for adult content.'

I disagree but what can you do?

Write to Ofcom. I have.
Although I can't claim I'm holding my breath.

Snoozer11 · 25/10/2022 19:07

I fully support this.

We need more of these people to show the world that most of them have penises and are happy to openly make fools of themselves.

EndlessTea · 25/10/2022 19:17

Yes. At the end of the day, there seems to be no shortage of blokes who want their own pair of tits - and the full-frontal nudity does highlight the utter absurdity that this is supposed to make them some kind of woman.