She played the piano with her penis

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So I am told anyway. I can't bring myself to watch it. Has anyone been brave enough?

Can't seem to link to the article. It's in the DM

Absolutely! Spot on@RedToothBrush

Thank you @EndlessTea. It sounds like an awfully tiring existence.

Is he making tongue in cheek jokes when he talks with 4year olds about being able change sex?

I've been giving this a lot of thought.

Firstly, I can't be outraged by someone getting their cock out on a Friday, post-watershed programme where C4 are reviving an anarchic, boundary-pushing programme from over 30 years ago. A time when C4 was really pushing the boundaries with The Word and Eurotrash, and the 'alternative' comedy scene was at full throttle. So I'm finding Helen Joyce's protestations of a 'sex crime' being committed, a bit OTT in this context (sorry Helen)

Secondly, I found Jordan's whole act rather nostalgic (in keeping with the whole show). Here was, what seemed like to me (and I'll put the words in inverted commas to stress that this is just my opinion), a good old-fashioned 'transexual', revelling in the joy of their cosmetically created, perky breasts; their own gorgeousness of coiffured hair and make-up; their ability to both f""k a woman or man, and be willingly and enthusiastically f""ed by a man. There was the tragi-com admission that their hands and feet would always give them away as a man but a 'f""k you', 'so what' and two fingers to the world about that. And the waspish, campy, bitchy humour was that of your archetypal drag-queen (y'know the type of cruel humour you hear on Ru Paul's drag race all the time and in the jokes of people like Damian Barr with his infamous balcony joke that he apologised and was forgiven for.)

I laughed out loud at the Chuckle Brothers reference 'To me, to you' and Jordan was a life force. I also laughed at the manic, rampant narcissism of 'Me, me, me' that Jordan was deliberately lampooning

So Ben Elton and C4 got to straddle the two eras by reviving a version of your unapologetic old-school trans performer while simultaneously getting with the Zeitgeist and catering for the 'new' comedy crowd who would expect trans representation on a Friday night comedy show. And Ben got the gift of being able to say 'that's what you call a knob gag' which I again laughed at.

I actually think this was quite a watershed moment. The outpouring of love and affection for Jordan from the trans community and the wider public, mean that it's obviously now OK to acknowledge that many transwomen are fully accepting of their male heritage, are proud as f""k of being what they perceive to be 'better' than women at 'being' women, and are not these downtrodden, fragile, woebegone victims that are more vulnerable than any woman in any circumstance, ever. That's been said very loudly and proudly.

And this whole egg-shell-walking-on, sex denialism culture that won't allow for anything other than the exclusivist belief that transwomen are women and transmen are men, has been thrown out of the window as far as I'm concerned. Jordan was being utterly and refreshingly honest and I felt it was a breath of fresh air - could have done without seeing their cock but hey ho!

I'm also not sure whether Jordan would be top of my list to send into primary schools as a role model for 4 year olds though...

I'd love to know what Mr Menno thinks of Jordan.

I think we’ve moved on from Eurotrash. When poor Lolo Ferrari died it made all the glib piss-taking out of people doing desperate things for attention because they probably weren’t mentally well - suddenly seem a bit grim.

Yes Humboldt!

Agree with all of that.

Humbolt sorry

are proud as f""k of being what they perceive to be 'better' than women at 'being' women

Mmm… interesting opinion on a feminist board.

I can't be outraged by someone getting their cock out on a Friday, post-watershed programme
Older children are still fairly likely to be watching at 9pm.
C4 are reviving an anarchic, boundary-pushing programme from over 30 years ago. A time when C4 was really pushing the boundaries with The Word and Eurotrash I agree with Endless here about Lolo Ferrari. This era is in the past and things have changed (well, one thought they had) for a reason.

So Ben Elton and C4 got to straddle the two eras They got to have their cake and eat it, is how I'd put it.
... many transwomen… are not these downtrodden, fragile, woebegone victims that are more vulnerable than any woman in any circumstance, ever. And do you think trans-identifying men will now, as a result of this glorious 'watershed' moment, stop talking about oppression and threatening people about suicide? I'm going to stick my neck out and say no.

My strongest disgust is reserved for the lines about tits, squirting and anal. The tits thing is clearly misogynistic and retrograde, however much amateur analysis you try to apply to it. The other two are straight from the world of porn and, post-watershed or not, IMO not appropriate for mass broadcast. They're an example of the blurring lines between what has previously been fringe culture (and I pass no judgement on those cultures per se) and the mainstream, as we also see with e.g. Drag Queen Story Time.

I think he's trying to be shocking and clever like when Ricky Gervais basically read out the TRAs arguments in his stand up. Because the TRA arguments are so flimsy and not based on reality, it made his comedy hilarious to watch and he really highlighted the issue.

This guy though, I think he's trying to do the same thing but it doesn't work the opposite way round because GC arguments are logical. He is completely contradicting himself. I think he is a very confused person.

This all sounds grim to me. Talk about scraping the barrel

yeah, it was honestly quite funny in parts, I can't say I was shocked at all, but it's important to recognise that this was, to its deepest core, (male) locker room humour of a very crude type, contrary to a lot of the drivel being spewed about it on social media not "important" or "thought provoking" or any such thing at all.

'The singer and comedian, who was born a man, is undergoing transition and feels she has ‘the boobs of a 13-year-old’.'

🤮

I don’t think it’s satire; he’s just saying to the wider public the kind of repulsive shit they say to each other on trans forums. Good, I suppose. Nothing like educating yourself on how “transwomen” really think.

I’m surprised he’s getting so much support from the “trans community.” Usually they gang up on someone who gives too much of the game away, pushes too many boundaries too fast. Perhaps they are all basking in vicarious “validation.” But I don’t think this triumph of exhibitionism is going to translate into widespread public acceptance of trans demands.

Yep, my children have small classes, so Reception, Yr1 & Yr 2 are together. Still wouldn't want him coming to talk to them though.

He/ she / It didn’t play the piano with the penis though.; that would have been quite clever, a bit like Dr Johnson and the dog walking, but still clever. All that happened was a little nudge in the edge of the key board, rather disappointing really.

The rest was just staggeringly talentless shouting , can’t sing, can’t play can’t tell jokes…nothing left really but to take the clothes off.

Funny how all the biological females are strongly pushed to believe they must chop their breasts off to transition, while the biological men are told they can be what they want if they just get themselves a boob job while they keep their penises.

Where are the biological women with full breasts saying they have transitioned into men with moobs & are proud of them?

The misogyny of the gender cult is astounding.

Almost like it's a men's rights movement isn't it Brokendaughter?

If that was him playing the piano with his penis, our cat can play the piano with her arse.

The cat is 1000000x better looking than him, but this is the first time it’s ever occurred me to think of her as talented. Maybe Ben Elton would like to invite her on.

Serious question: why is wokeness allowed to substitute for actual talent? Perhaps I have to dye the cat blue before she can make it in showbiz.

I don’t think it’s satire; he’s just saying to the wider public the kind of repulsive shit they say to each other on trans forums.

I agree. A lot of women can be a bit slow on the uptake about this though can’t they?

They’ll twist around, intellectually contorting themselves, creating whole back-stories of clever - you had us all going there- rationale. Anything but admit what is staring them in the face.

I just want to say.

Women. You are the butt of the damn joke. Stop gormlessly laughing along.

that's possibly a tad unfair? the right medication gives a biological male a vaguely female-looking upper body outline and 'top surgery' (implants or mastectomy) is relatively straightforward for either sex. whereas 'bottom surgery', for either sex, is invasive and can only ever give you a very crude, not really functional, approximation of what the other sex has.

Mastectomy is not relatively straightforward.

Sticking in implants which can be removed later is not the same as cutting of healthy body parts which can’t be replaced.

Isn’t it funny that all these TW claim their penises give them dysphoria but wang their willies out at every opportunity, usually to try to harass, oppress or threaten a woman. Almost like they’re men, and always will be

It’s just male entitlement.

Entitled to be the centre of attention.
Entitled to call themselves women.
Entitled to get their cocks out.

'top surgery' (implants or mastectomy) is relatively straightforward for either sex.

Do you know much about double mastectomies? They are not comparable to 'implants' in nature or risk of life limiting effects.