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She played the piano with her penis

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NotRightNowNo · 23/10/2022 17:16

So I am told anyway. I can't bring myself to watch it. Has anyone been brave enough?

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WrongWayApricot · 24/10/2022 08:40

I was actually looking forward to seeing some xylophone-esque plinky plonking or some smashing like the boob watermelon woman. I was quite disgusted to see he just smeared his knob on the keys. However, seeing the amount of people call it 'playing the piano' has given me solace that my fingering of the ivories can't be as bad as I thought.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 24/10/2022 08:56

Hillcrest2022 · 23/10/2022 18:15

This to me is fetishisatiom so I wonder whether this individuals ' motivations are more along those lines than a genuine person who is committed to full physical transition and who respects the women they identify with.

"a genuine person who is committed to full physical transition and who respects the women they identify with."

Do such people exist? How can such people exist?

In my experience of reading the words of and asking questions of TW online I see no evidence that any TW have a genuine sense of what it is to be a woman and a genuine feeling of affinity with "other" women. It seems to be a very much more personal thing "this is my perception of womanhood and I want to be a woman according to the terms of this personal perception. I am not saying I have anything in common with other women. Other women have nothing to do with my womanhood".

But even aside from the point that I don't believe (m)any respect women based on observaation, there is the more important question of whether it is even possible to respect women whilst identifying as one.

I see a disabled person in a wheelchair. I can vote for a party that is more committed to supporting disabled people to living full lives. I can try to treat that person exactly like I would anyone else, apart from making reasonable adjustments such as holding a door open when I might not do so for someone able-bodied, or getting them a special desk if I am their boss. I find it incredibly hard to see how I could show my respect whilst claiming to be disabled or whilst riding round in a wheelchair I don't need. I'm not sure that amputating my legs so that the wheelchair became necessary would prove my respect, in fact I can safely say it would be 100% disrespectful to do so.

I am increasingly coming to the view that for a trans woman to genuinely, 100% respect women, they need to accept that they are LARPing, accept that they have no right to female spaces and no right to forced language from others, and, finally, no right to share their desire to dress up as a parody of a woman in any place other than the privacy of their own home or in other private places with consenting adults.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 24/10/2022 08:57

It demonstrates how misogyny is so ingrained that no one involved with the programme either couldnt see the overt message of the act, could see it but thought it was funny, or didnt have the authority to stop it.

Im sure if i had similar act saying how superior my body is to trans people, i wouldnt be booked, let alone celebrated.

I feel sorry for all of the women (do they even employ women?) involved with the programme knowing they would in such an environment. Must be grim.

3peassuit · 24/10/2022 08:59

I’ve just complained to ofcom. I don’t want to see women’s dicks on TV. I hope Jordon wiped down the piano keys after that display, it would be grim to expect anyone else to clean it.

SudocremOnEverything · 24/10/2022 08:59

Oh. I agree that the myths surround the concept of sex change surgery are part of some very problematic trends.

It would be best if the wider public properly understood that sex change surgery is a barbaric lie and that all biological males should not be having their penises removed. Because that makes the position much clearer. There’s no possibility of them not being biologically male.

JustJustWhy · 24/10/2022 09:00

ScreamingMeMe · 24/10/2022 08:11

That was a quality drama and the 'reveal' had a point and was done sensitively. The two are not comparable.

You're right and my comment was a bit glib. However, Channel 4 has always been the channel to shock and push boundaries: from Eurotrash to The Word to a live autopsy to celebrated presenters taking drugs to "test the effects...so I would say that what's happened to Channel 4 is them taking the next step.

Flux1 · 24/10/2022 09:00

DobbyTheHouseElk · 24/10/2022 08:28

If this man had performed in this way on the local high street, surely he would get locked up.

Probably in a female prison!

Rightsraptor · 24/10/2022 09:06

I turned off 'Free Speech Nation' last night when they kept taking about 'her penis' and really couldn't see that the act was offensive to women. Not sure they ever mentioned the lyrics of that song either.

I know they are all stand ups and perhaps it was loyalty to their own, but they seemed to think the show had been a good 'un. I thought it very poor.

SudocremOnEverything · 24/10/2022 09:07

"a genuine person who is committed to full physical transition and who respects the women they identify with

I think that the idea that this is something that anyone should be arguing for is part of the problem.

‘Full physical transition’ is not something to be encouraged. We should not be encouraging anyone to cosmetically mutilate their bodies and significantly affect their day to day functioning. Womanhood is not something to be gained if you make it to the end of a horrendous medicalised quest.

If there is a problem with the male sex provision, then that needs to be fixed so that biologically male humans who want to dress in whatever way they choose can access it safely and with dignity. Using the female provision as a ‘prize’ for being sufficiently committed is harmful to both sexes.

but, as is so often the case, society looks to women to make up for the issues with men.

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ScreamingMeMe · 24/10/2022 09:19

IcakethereforeIam · 24/10/2022 01:18

Well, I've heard of polishing the ivories....

I thought it was tinkling? And thank god he didn't go that far. One piss protest is more than enough!

EndlessTea · 24/10/2022 09:23

@Rightsraptor i am increasingly finding it insulting when people use she and her or ‘girls’ to refer to men. When I look back, I think I always found it uncomfortable and insulting, but I would be a good sport about it - I could be won over if it was said with camp humour, but there was always this itchy feeling of annoyance I’d suppress. It feels so bloody disrespectful to women, and of course me as a woman.

Now that I can’t be bothered to graciously suppress my irritation it blooms into fully pissing me off. I think “don’t fucking dare”.

Fuckallthetories · 24/10/2022 09:32

sanity leaves the chat

BridasShieldWall · 24/10/2022 09:33

Starting to think Ricky Gervais is more of a prophet than a comedian.

DobbyTheHouseElk · 24/10/2022 09:36

3peassuit · 24/10/2022 08:59

I’ve just complained to ofcom. I don’t want to see women’s dicks on TV. I hope Jordon wiped down the piano keys after that display, it would be grim to expect anyone else to clean it.

Women don’t have dicks. Men do.

3peassuit · 24/10/2022 09:40

DobyTheHouseElf

Quite.

ZeldaFighter · 24/10/2022 09:56

Does anyone remember the vitriol and consequences for Janet Jackson when a man exposed her nipple live on TV?

Things are still the same for men, I see - whatever they want is acceptable.

Moonmelodies · 24/10/2022 09:57

How come it was so small?

IcakethereforeIam · 24/10/2022 09:58

ScreamingMeMe · 24/10/2022 09:19

I thought it was tinkling? And thank god he didn't go that far. One piss protest is more than enough!

Perhaps he was asked to play his Handel and there were misunderstandings?

landyland · 24/10/2022 09:58

A post op trans woman told me recently that they were actually more of a woman than me because they actually made the effort to take hormones and go abroad to have their bits cut off. Then they said it made them a better wife. They aren't married and live with a gay guy. He's extremely butch and dominant and the trans guy is very, very submissive. It's a sexual fetish imo. Which is all fine among consenting adults but says so much about how male they actually are that they choose to throw women under the bus as part of it.

ApocalipstickNow · 24/10/2022 10:01

Moonmelodies · 24/10/2022 09:57

How come it was so small?

They thought they were booking a 3 inch pianist

(thank you, I’m here all week)

KatMcBundleFace · 24/10/2022 10:04

Classic Professor of Bantz and Feelz quote here 😆

She played the piano with her penis
EndlessTea · 24/10/2022 10:11

Team Penis all the way!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2022 10:11

Speechless. Also, an own goal, I think.

Did the individual in question not realise the sheer misogynistic awfulness of this or did they just not care?

nothingcomestonothing · 24/10/2022 10:12

Sex change is impossible. 'Sex change surgery' is unethical butchery. 'Cross sex hormone treatment' is even less effective and ethical than homeopthy. Mermaids and Stonewall are vehicles to push unethical treatment to vulnerable people to validate a men's sexual rights movement and to remove agency and status from women. They are sexist, racist and homophobic. They dismiss traumatic experiences and seek to humiliate, silence and further traumatise victims. The whole TRA movement is narcissistic from top to bottom. It's self serving and advocates harm by pushing gender stereotypes whilst maintaining the absolute right to male pattern behaviour to subdegate women.

Whapping your cock out on stage, whilst gleefully singing I'm better than women, look at me, me, me, me, me, me, me could not illustrate the entire shit show in a clearer way on any other 3 minute segment.

Every fucking word of this.