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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pronouns at nursery

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PronounsBaby · 21/10/2022 13:22

I'll start by saying I don't really have a problem with people stating their pronouns if they feel it necessary and is important to them (although I will do an internal eye roll and move on).

I personally don't like stating them as I don't think it should matter (if you are referring to me when I'm not there I think I'd prefer to be referred to by name). Ultimately I won't be putting them on my emails at work as I don't want to feel like I have to state " this is a woman talking! "

Anyway, my 8 mo is just about to start nursery. They have a board of staff members pictures and names along with pronouns. All sexed based except one male looking they/them. Fine.

They have given me a form to fill in about home life and have asked on there, what the family pronouns are and I'm not sure really what to put.

I guess 'they' as there are multiple members of the family but I know this isn't what they mean.

Maybe 'N/A' or 'none'? Maybe put 'none (sex based)'? Leave blank?

I don't want to start off on the wrong foot here but equally I don't really want to play along with the nonsense...

Has anyone navigated this?
I know it's not a big deal in the long run but I'm going to be leaving my PFB with them and don't want to worry about her/us being treated differently? Probably over thinking it...

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SammyScrounge · 20/03/2023 09:21

AlisonDonut · 21/10/2022 13:47

'Our pronouns are yours, use them wisely'.

Fucking nursery kids. You know they are going to indoctrinate your kids, right?

Just what I was thinking. What other trans ideology are they going to introduce your children to?

ScrollingLeaves · 20/03/2023 09:49

Don’t send your child there and tell them why.

It is captured by gender ideology.

ThroughGraceAlone · 21/07/2023 17:54

I would not send my kids there😵If it winds you up now, there is going to be more of these instances in the future

CheeseChamp · 22/07/2023 08:27

If you can't change setting or find a childminder, don't want to have a meeting, and don't want to rock the boat, then the best thing is to leave it blank and do nothing.

I say best... but personally I would be meeting with the nursery manager to have a serious discussion about how they manage gender identity in little children. Little kids misgender all the time. It's a development phase. How to they handle that? Is it punished or accepted that they will get the right words in the end? Is the they them person going to be making the children feel like they have done something wrong every time it happens? Is the they going to be lecturing children on the use of Pronouns?

I would be hyper aware of the children being taught that they can choose what sex they want ro be based on feelings because at this age they will constantly flip flop. My 3 year old the other day said, when I was a baby I was a boy but now I'm not. I'll be a boy when I'm a grown up. She's very advanced in her language development and she is just having fun exploring life and how everything works. She knows full well she is a girl. What would happen at the nursery when the kids say things like this? I would want to know, from the nursery manager, how they would handle such a discussion and identify how they protect kids freedom to explore and grow without being put in a boxed category at such a young age.

If they give me a satisfactory response showing they have clear policy that all staff understand and that kids aren't going to be led to choosing their Pronouns, or punished for using the wrong ones, and the they person is simply a part of life they are taught to respect and think no more of, then I might be ok with my kid going there, but will be watching like a hawk.

Otherwise... sorry but the risk these kids are all in is just to great for me. Regressive nonsense. I'd be trying to find some other solution for childcare. Good luck

CheeseChamp · 22/07/2023 08:37

And another answer I would want... do they accept that kids this age decide day by day that they are boys, girls, whatever? Are all the kids going to be forced to accept this change every time it happens and use the correct t Pronouns and punished if they don't?

Basically how much time energy and focus is going to go on policing and discussing this, or will it be like any other normal nursery, kids free to do and say what they want because they are growing and exploring? There are other things in life to learn about and this one shouldn't be taking up any time in the curriculum whatsoever. If the they person forces the nursery to change the approach I would be deeply unhappy.

If it is just a peripheral, families are all different, some have 2 mummies, 2 daddies, one mummy, some have a cat, some have just a nanny, some people are girls, boys and some choose to be neither, and the conversation ENDS THERE then that is fine.

You will need to talk to the nursery manager and be prepared for a difficult conversation if they are fully converted by the trans lobby. I would find it really difficult but this is about the wellbeing of my child. It's time to get over my dislike of confrontation, I'm their mum, I'm the one they rely on to protect them. So need to step up.

FannyCann · 22/07/2023 08:53

This is how DD2 spent her time at a lovely Montessori nursery.
Play and exploration, looking at nature, there were always stick insects, fish, rabbits to clean out, caterpillars to observe. Lots of craft, art, cooking.

There is no way anything related to gender or sex education should be introduced (outside of some of the nature related study).

Pronouns at a nursery would send me running for the hills.

Pronouns at nursery
FrancescaContini · 22/07/2023 09:03

@FannyCann sounds lovely. Playing and exploring is what young children should be doing.

Pronouns 😯

YetAnotherSpartacus · 22/07/2023 12:48

Somebody REALLY likes insects.

YouJustDoYou · 22/07/2023 12:52

Fuck/Off

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 22/07/2023 13:25

Soontobe60 · 21/10/2022 13:45

I would expect nursery staff to refer to me as ‘baby Soontobe’s mum’ if I wasn’t there!
E.g. -
key worker “ Baby Soontobe is poorly, she needs some Calpol. I will phone her mum up to confirm this”
Nursery manager “OK, but make sure Baby Soontobe’s mum signs to record book when she comes to pick her up.”

Um....you've used she in there 😂
So you do have pronouns then.😁
As for OP, just internally roll your eyes and leave it blank if you don't want to put anything.

BodgerLovesMashedPotato · 22/07/2023 13:29

Bah, didnt realise it was a resurrected zombie thread 🙄

Jongleterre · 22/07/2023 13:54

Please don't give in to this utter crap and nonsense.

PronounsBaby · 22/07/2023 14:50

Yes I posted this a while ago!

It was (of course) pride month last month and the nursery did have a little meet up on the pride march (not sure how well attended it was) and was covered in bunting of all the different flags and the newer one too.
In the monthly newsletter it mentioned one of the parents (mum I think) came in to give a talk about pride to the preschoolers....have not idea what was said but I would like to think it was just a general 'everyone is different and some families have two mummies and some two daddies' etc.

I don't want to rock the boat or freak out about it or blow it out of proportion. It is, like it or not, the world we now live in and I will need to find strategies to navigate it. My little is too young to be effected now but I will make she has her feet firmly grounded in reality over the next few years!

Thank you all for your comments, it's really good to have an outlet for my thoughts around this subject.

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