Hospital refuses to operate after woman requests all-female care

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11316141/Hospital-bans-sex-assault-victim-op-female-care-request.html

I feel quite sick at this.

She was stunned then to receive an email from the hospital's chief executive Maxine Estop Green telling her the operation was off.

She told her the hospital 'did not share her beliefs' and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.

The message added the hospital was committed to protecting staff from what it described as 'unacceptable distress'.

Emma urged them to reconsider, adding in a further message she thought they had misunderstood her requests, which she said were entirely within the law.

The hospital said it would offer a private room but would NOT facilitate her requests for single-sex care after her operation.

It also mentioned her comment about pronouns and said it had a responsibility to protect staff from 'discrimination and harassment'.

Does your left hand usually forget what the right is doing or does that only happen when you are trying (and failing) to shame women on Mumsnet?

Here’s a reminder (although it’s already right there is the quote chain on your last post).

HTH.

Women are scared because we are all being institutionally gaslit by this new religion which tells us some males are women and that the centuries of oppression, the rapes, the assaults, the maternity discrimination, the pay gaps, the medical negligence, the adverse health outcomes from seeing a male doctor, the DV, its all because of how we identify and nothing to do with our sex. In this climate women are bound to make mistakes sometimes.

I expect you remember the female patient who was raped by a transwoman on a supposedly single sex ward but the hospital Trust said no rape had taken place because no men were present at the time.

I expect you understand how incredibly difficult it is for a woman to even report rape (I couldn't report mine) so will be full of empathy for how it felt to be so disregarded by the hospital Trust. Rape also feels like being disregarded and dehumanised.

"Luckily" the cctv proved the woman right & the hospital Trust had to admit to it. But the policy (that single sex wards are open to some males) remains.

@landOFconfusion I think you've missed the point of this woman's history as a victim.of sexual violence? This is exactly why sex protected spaces are so important. I support ladies with a learning disability, they would not, not should they have men or transwomen providing the intimate care that I provide. Owing to this ladies personal history, she is also vulnerable and she should not be punished for requesting female only care. The hospitals response was swift and done in a way to punish providing no platform to just discuss the matter where any logistics surrounding which sex could be expected to provide care could have been discussed.

A hospital does not have to provide clinicians of a specified sex, and nor do they have to accede to other stupidly common requests for staff of a specified ethnicity or religious background.

Do trans activists EVER stop appropriating the struggle for racial equality to try and force people to say some men are really women? It's bonkers and a bit racist and isn't even analogous as males, like white people, have the power and privilege.

Can you please link to the legislation which allows for patients to request a specific ethnicity or religious background? In the same way as patients can request a member of staff who is the same sex?

It might not be mandated but it certainly is permitted as an exemption under the EQA2010.

Which is contrary to what you claimed in your initial post. Your post -

'This is no different to patients specifying that they don’t want medical staff of a particular ethnicity or religion treating them.

Which is - incidentally - a regrettably common request in healthcare settings.'

And to be clear, I don't think you will be able to link to such legislation because it doesn't exist.

No.

No they don’t.

Bit weird that they try to claim the moral high ground while doing it but here we are in Upside Down World!

The breathtaking speed and fury with which some have shown up here to tell us all how little this gravely ill woman's feelings matter compared to those of any male HCP who declares an invisible, untestable gender identity...

Wow. Just wow.

I guess an appropriate analogy might be a black person asking not to be seen by a white staff member due to the number of racial assaults they've experienced solely at the hands of white people. Is that a stupidly common request?

Despicable.

ICU is not single sex but usually the patient will be looked after by a member who is the same sex, and the units are usually sex segregated where possible - ie male bays and female bays.

There is no legislation that patients can chose religious beliefs of treating doctors - however, for many it is important. Ie. we are Jewish, our GP is Jewish and thus understands that telling me to use condoms for contraception is very pointless. She also made an immediate referral each time I had a breast lump - i was seen on the same day in both cases, again because she's Jewish she understands the urgency of the situation with breast lumps.

I wouldn't refuse care from any other religion, but sometimes having someone who is the same religion as you is beneficial. It is not legislated for. It is discrimination to say you will not be treated by X, Y or Z unless it's a request for a person of a specific sex.

As already demonstrated right here on the thread, there are females who will prefer not to risk presenting for some health care if they know that their need for same sex provision won't be available. Up until a group of male people kicked off about this, this country used to care about hard to reach groups who found things inaccessible, and went to a lot of trouble in the name of diversity and inclusion. I sat in the meetings, I did the work on the statistics, Local Authorities had a duty to prove they were accessible to all groups, and females are half the fucking population. It is NOT difficult to plan to meet those needs. It really isn't.

And then male people found that presented them with a boundary they resented, and all that was binned on the spot.

Any male employee who is going to be 'seriously distressed' by not being allowed to intimately handle a female who has specifically required same sex carers, should not be in patient facing positions. Female patients are not there to meet their needs.

This is bloody appalling. And yes, we knew it happened. What the fuck do we do about this, because it gets worse every week and at this point we have no political party who are not going to stand by while enshrining females as a subordinate class in law.

Any male employee who is going to be 'seriously distressed' by not being allowed to intimately handle a female who has specifically required same sex carers, should not be in patient facing positions. Female patients are not there to meet their needs.

This is what this is about. Why do hospitals exist? Is it to give medical treatment to people who need it or is it to validate and support people with gender identities?

This hospital seems to have lost sight of its primary purpose. They have forgotten that the patients are the reason for its existence, and that the patients aren't simply validation tools for their needy members of staff who are insecure about their gender identities.

Because the nurse who this patient considered to be trans was treating her. And the patient didn't like this.
I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.
I'm sure I've been treated by a variety of nurses & doctors of probably all genders & I'm just honestly grateful when my medical needs are taken seriously.

with person centred care there are always service user preferences. It just takes a bit of arranging to meet requests of female care but it’s certainly doable and quite a common request.

I guess it would be considered discriminatory to refuse to see a professional based on their gender alone.

It's well known that some women prefer to have female only care in intimate situations. The NHS says they will do what they can to support it where possible, so no it isn't considered "discriminatory" by default.

Do you live in the U.K.?

Sex. There are same sex exemptions. * *

Typo - single sex exemptions

No.

No they don’t.

They never take a day off. They never have a little think about other people, or the optics, when they try to compel women to repeat their lies.

That's really interesting about the beneficial aspects of having a doctor who has that specific knowledge due to belonging to the same religion - I hadn't known about the link with breast lumps.

People are able to request male care or female care. It’s not discriminatory, it’s perfectly legal

And that is jolly good for you. And, indeed helpful. As it frees up resources to support those who do care. Just because you are relaxed, do you think that you should impose your view on others?

There should be ability to accommodate both those who don’t care about same sex care and those who do.

It's utter betrayal.
Sickening illegal and a fucking disgrace.
The hospital should be closed down

You obviously haven't read the thread, the newspaper article or the correspondence between the woman and the hospital.

It's not considered discriminatory to ask for a same sex medical practitioner. It's considered completely normal for a woman to ask for a female nurse/doctor for an intimate examination or procedure.

She didn't say she would refuse treatment from anyone because they were trans, but she didn't want to receive treatment from male people even if they declared that they had a feminine gender identity.

This is no different to patients specifying that they don’t want medical staff of a particular ethnicity or religion treating them.

It's completely different. Asking for female single sex care is something the NHS have suggested to women if they would feel more comfortable, for eg to do their smear test. Do you think they do likewise in your scenario?